my first cycle

these are my 2 options

1-4 test prop 300mg(injected mon/wens/sat)
1-10 test cyp 500mg(1ml on monday with test p and 1ml on sat with test p)
10-14 winstrol 50mg
10-14 proviron 50mg

or

1-12 test cyp 500mg
10-14 winstrol 50mg
10-14 proviron 50mg

both with doctari's pct(can the pct start straight after the winny or should i wait another week or so for the test to clear out)

Iam trying to bulk up without to much water and fat, a lean bulk. anything i should change? and which cycle would be more advisable or more practical for a first time user in your opinion?

Option 1 looks better for your goals, has a nice frontload and you can start PCT day after your bridge.

The prop is going to sting the virgin muscle other than that option 1 is solid

VonD wrote: The prop is going to sting the virgin muscle other than that option 1 is solid

mixing the test prop with the test cyp helps with the pain.. i hope.

anyone mixed the test cyp and prop into one shot? did it help?

PGW Prop does not hurt me at all I inject it 3 times a week.

pgw no pain just pin the good old side delt

i cant get hold of pgw gear

In all honesty i've had more post inj pain from pgw test e then there prop. I luv there prop. Using it right now with mast prop and no post inj pain what so ever.

Apart from that Option 2 gets my vote.

manery wrote: these are my 2 options

1-4 test prop 300mg(injected mon/wens/sat)
1-10 test cyp 500mg(1ml on monday with test p and 1ml on sat with test p)
10-14 winstrol 50mg
10-14 proviron 50mg

or

1-12 test cyp 500mg
10-14 winstrol 50mg

10-14 proviron 50mg

both with doctari's pct(can the pct start straight after the winny or should i wait another week or so for the test to clear out)

Iam trying to bulk up without to much water and fat, a lean bulk. anything i should change? and which cycle would be more advisable or more practical for a first time user in your opinion?

was just thinking now. what if i did this

1-12 test cyp 500mg
12-16 winny 50mg
12-16 proviron 50mg
12-16 test prop 300mg

what you guys think about this option?

manery wrote:

manery wrote: these are my 2 options

1-4 test prop 300mg(injected mon/wens/sat)
1-10 test cyp 500mg(1ml on monday with test p and 1ml on sat with test p)
10-14 winstrol 50mg
10-14 proviron 50mg

or

1-12 test cyp 500mg
10-14 winstrol 50mg

10-14 proviron 50mg

both with doctari's pct(can the pct start straight after the winny or should i wait another week or so for the test to clear out)

Iam trying to bulk up without to much water and fat, a lean bulk. anything i should change? and which cycle would be more advisable or more practical for a first time user in your opinion?

was just thinking now. what if i did this

1-12 test cyp 500mg
12-16 winny 50mg
12-16 proviron 50mg
12-16 test prop 300mg

what you guys think about this option?

looks good. just remember, pct would then have to start 14 days after prop shot. so you could either extend proviron and winny by two week's after last prop shot, or just start 2 weeks after you start the prop

looks like it could be nice, but no frontload?

CHAPEL wrote: looks like it could be nice, but no frontload?

ye, i don't mind waiting for the test to kick in and i dont realy want to add dbol to the cycle to frontload because the cycles getting quit pricey and also my liver will take quite a beating with 2 orals.

just a question. if i do decide to add test prop in final weeks with winny and provrion will i still loose most of my water retention and get that dry look?

the orals are so far apart it will be fine.. plus dbol is peanuts tbh.. not expensive at all.. But your choice

Heretic47 wrote:

manery wrote:

manery wrote: these are my 2 options

1-4 test prop 300mg(injected mon/wens/sat)
1-10 test cyp 500mg(1ml on monday with test p and 1ml on sat with test p)
10-14 winstrol 50mg
10-14 proviron 50mg

or

1-12 test cyp 500mg
10-14 winstrol 50mg

10-14 proviron 50mg

both with doctari's pct(can the pct start straight after the winny or should i wait another week or so for the test to clear out)

Iam trying to bulk up without to much water and fat, a lean bulk. anything i should change? and which cycle would be more advisable or more practical for a first time user in your opinion?

was just thinking now. what if i did this

1-12 test cyp 500mg
12-16 winny 50mg
12-16 proviron 50mg
12-16 test prop 300mg

what you guys think about this option?

looks good. just remember, pct would then have to start 14 days after prop shot. so you could either extend proviron and winny by two week's after last prop shot, or just start 2 weeks after you start the prop

ok thanks bro

CHAPEL wrote: the orals are so far apart it will be fine.. plus dbol is peanuts tbh.. not expensive at all.. But your choice

where i get my dbols from, i can do 50mg androl for 4 weeks for less then half the price of the dbols at 40mg for 4 weeks?

am i getting ripped off?

manery wrote:

CHAPEL wrote: the orals are so far apart it will be fine.. plus dbol is peanuts tbh.. not expensive at all.. But your choice

where i get my dbols from, i can do 50mg androl for 4 weeks for less then half the price of the dbols at 40mg for 4 weeks?

am i getting ripped off?

yes.

but you should also be skeptical if things seem a bit too cheap. what brands are they?

Heretic47 wrote:

manery wrote:

CHAPEL wrote: the orals are so far apart it will be fine.. plus dbol is peanuts tbh.. not expensive at all.. But your choice

where i get my dbols from, i can do 50mg androl for 4 weeks for less then half the price of the dbols at 40mg for 4 weeks?

am i getting ripped off?

yes.

but you should also be skeptical if things seem a bit too cheap. what brands are they?

evolve, i know its not the best brand but i cant find any others... i have friends who use there gear and it works for them, an the dealer is a good friends boyfriend.