Advice on keto and clen

Hi guys

I am currently 4 weeks into keto diet and started taking clen (40mcg first 2 days, and 80mcg from day 4 onwards) and yohimbine (10mg twice per day) this week.

I have lost 5kg from starting the diet.

What I want to know, is whether it is safe to move up to 120mcg clen per day, as the side effects have resided already within the first week (not feeling hot, no trembling hands). I have gone without any stimulants for 8 weeks prior to starting, and I'm taking 2 betasleep tablets before bed every night.

Then, how long can you be on a keto diet? Or does the carb-up day allow you to follow this diet indefinitely?

My stats are : 1.72m, 97kg, around 26% body fat. Doing low intensity cardio (treadmill walking) 7 days a week, and weight training 4 days a week. Diet done by DJ, around 2000 calories.

Thanks!

you need a carb up day once a week to restore your glycogen levels. no more than 250g of carbs in a single meal the evening before your most intense workout of the week. if you not feeling the sides from the Clen anymore up it to 120mcg but never exceed that ammount. if you still battling to feel the sides at that dosage, take 2 weeks off the Clen whilst taking ketotifin to upgrade your receptors

rvp01 wrote: you need a carb up day once a week to restore your glycogen levels. no more than 250g of carbs in a single meal the evening before your most intense workout of the week. if you not feeling the sides from the Clen anymore up it to 120mcg but never exceed that ammount. if you still battling to feel the sides at that dosage, take 2 weeks off the Clen whilst taking ketotifin to upgrade your receptors

Doing carb-up day once a week (but didn't have one the first two weeks). But does that allow you to be on this diet indefinitely?

Is ketotifen better than betasleep? Do you ask for it by name at the pharmacy? And if it is a syrup, doesn't it have sugar / alcohol in that can kick me out of ketosis?

Thanks!

i suppose you could, but too much protein is bad for your kidneys. why would you want to a diet like this indefinitely anyway? once you reach you goal weight you add carbs slowly for your maintenance. you could use either or. the easiest would be to pop into the chemist and get some bettasleep, its like 25 bucks. take one cap before bed at night

Ketotifen and Betasleep do exactly the same thing neither is better. Also ketotifen has been discontinued so if you can find any buy some for me too

I am on betasleep at the moment. Can't think my receptor could be the problem, as I've said I had 2 months without any stimulants before I started the cycle. Will try going up to 120mcgs and see whether that makes a difference.

I read on another forum (can't remember where) that you can do ketogenic diet, and just add in more carb-up meals as your bodyfat% comes down (for instance at the moment I'm doing one carb-up meal a week of about 200g carbs, but when I'm at say 15% bodyfat I'd do 2-3 such meals on one day???)

Reaching my goal weight might take a while, so that's why I asked whether there's like a time limit to doing keto (i.e. can it be harmful if you do it for too long?)

Thanks for the input!

you can stay on the keto diet til you reach your goals, as long as you doing the carb-up meals. stick to the 250g of carbs in 1 meal until you reach your goals. are you trying to get down to 15% BF?

rvp01 wrote: you can stay on the keto diet til you reach your goals, as long as you doing the carb-up meals. stick to the 250g of carbs in 1 meal until you reach your goals. are you trying to get down to 15% BF?

At least. I'm hoping on not losing any muscle, so my target weight should be around 84kg to get to 15%. I'd love to get to a lower percentage like 10 or 12%, but I think that'll take a readjustment to diet, training. I know a lot of guys hit the wall at 15%. I'll maybe try a cutting steroid then like winnie or anavar.

But I must first get to my goal weight before thinking about gear (as I've been told by the guys on the forum).

yeah thats good advice, make sure youre eating enough grams of protein a day to sustain your lean mass. aslo go for LI cardio opposed to HI

If your diet and cardio is in check you can loose 20kg+ in 3 months? How many kg are you looking to loose?

just Stick to the diet and cardio and the fat will fall off.

rvp01 wrote: yeah thats good advice, make sure youre eating enough grams of protein a day to sustain your lean mass. aslo go for LI cardio opposed to HI

Getting in 255g of protein a day, think that's sufficient. Also doing treadmill walk 40min a day at 0 incline.

Thanks for the advice!

GregB1 wrote: If your diet and cardio is in check you can loose 20kg+ in 3 months? How many kg are you looking to loose?

just Stick to the diet and cardio and the fat will fall off.

I've only lost 5kgs in 4 weeks (one month). I was on a normal diet before this (DJ also designed it) but I lost like 2kgs in 2 months. That's when he put me on the keto.

I've gone for bloods, but my test and thyroid is normal?

But thanks for the motivation.

5kg in 4 weeks is good going, its better than loosing fat and muscle. Keep the fatloss slow and steady and the weight will stay off and you will keep most of your muscle.

Cool thanks Greg

Goodluck mate, i know its hard work and all but when you 15% you will be over the moon you could then perhaps do a beginner test cycle and showing by your persistence and dedication in getting bf down you will get great gains while on cycle

Kudos man

im on the same stats as u bench just abit hesitent if my bf is to high to start the clen,always heard people going on that you should be atleast 15 bf before starting....keep posting ur stats would appreciate

U can stay in ketosis for up to six weeks at a time and then the ketones could start to effect your kidneys and liver ...take supps. Add mix veg or simular to keep your self slightly out of ketosis but still in fat burning.When u reach your goal start adding back starchy carbs till u weight stablelizes.
also try replacing the whey with fatty protein ..u might be lactose intolerant.
In my opinion Clen ect is for when u have reached around 12 % and want to get below 10 for competion.
Other wise the Keto diet is good enough u will loose quicker with out the side effects .

@Aspoester dankie maat, waardeer die motivering!

@Mike I'm pretty sure you're either in ketosis or not, if you're not in ketosis and you're not getting enough carbs in you'll go catabolic, am I right or not? haven't considered being lactose intolerant, will check that out.

@Megatron DJ suggested I go on clen when I was still at 30% body fat, so I suppose it's fine as long as you're diet is in check, you drink enough water and you're cardio regime is good. I will post again when I'm at 90kg, maybe start a thread with my progress to keep me motivated. Maybe you could do the same. I saw pics of DJ's before and after, and that really motivated me.

As far as I know it's only gear that you have to be at a certain fat percentage because of the risk of testosterone aromatising and getting estrogen related side effects like gyno.

U get into Ketosis to start the fatburning ...get your system onto the idea of using fat as energy instead of glucose which u get from carbs.. once u are in ketosis and after about six weaks u start adding green veg for a further six weeks and then all colour of veg ....keeps u out of ketosis but still in fat burning and then after about six to eight months u should be at your goal weight u then slowly add back starch = potato rice ect..or a carb up meal once a week.
What I found with useing Clen Yomby Foff fat ect and I used clen at 125 mcg...it didnt really spead up the fatloss that much when weighed against cost and sides...u still lose more on the diet itself and that was sufficient at the end of the day .I am at 13% after eight months on the diet from 25%. the protein keeps u anabolic.