Honey: Good or Bad?

Well? Is it a healthier and better alternative to sugar, or does it all boil down to the same thing?

same thing

I was under the impression that honey had a more of a slower sugar release

honey comb straight from the hive might ...and have some health benerfits ??? but the stuff u buy at the shop has been refined so it is same as sugar...If u want to loose weight ? stay away from sugar / honey..
Xylotol is the best..but I use sweetners which have debateable issues as well as they are chemical

mike123 wrote: honey comb straight from the hive might ...and have some health benerfits ??? but the stuff u buy at the shop has been refined so it is same as sugar...If u want to loose weight ? stay away from sugar / honey..
Xylotol is the best..but I use sweetners which have debateable issues as well as they are chemical

I've also been using Xylotol for a few years but use honey in my morning oats

try to get honey straight from a bee farm

I also take honey with raisins in my oats in the mornings before I train.

g consumed prot g prt kCalc Carb g Carb kCalc Fat g Fat Kcalc
Oats 50.00 7.20 30.12 28.50 119.24 3.95 36.34
Honey 20.00 - - 16.20 67.78 - -
Raisens 20.00 0.62 2.59 12.60 52.72 0.04 0.37

I dont think honey will be bad for, specially if you use it early in the day for energy and to fuel the muscles pre-workout. I try to eat all my carbs for the day by my fourth meal mid afternoon. Also if you take in the correct amounts you shouldnt store it as fat, yor body will burn it. That is why it is important to calculate what you need to maintain your bodyweight. All depending on your own goals, but if you just want to maintain your weight calculate your daily calorie need with the Harris-Benedict Formula.


here is a piece from a post by DJ (Diet 101 I think)

Now carbs source for breakfast should be low GI, starchy carbs such as oats... this is a brilliant slow releasing energy source.

carbs for pre work out I feel that low gi and and medium to high carbs such as oats raisins and honey (low,moderate and high gi)to fuel your work out constantly.

carbs for post work out should be high gi simple carbs such as glucose powder,dextrose,vitargo (BUT NOT Waxy Maise Starch,this exits the guy quickly but doenst spike insulin levels making it not as good at replenishing glycogen stores like the others will do as they do spike insulin) as all of these High gi carbs spike insulin and shuttle nutrients to the muscle which are needed for repair.30-60mins post simple carbs have low gi carbs in solid form. END

Hope I am allowed to quote DJ.
It was a great article and really helped me to calculate exactly what I needed to eat every day in what quantities.

yep Kab ..if u are cutting and on a Keto I would not use honey that is refined ..its like the apple and apple juice the apple contains fibre and would be low gi the juice/honey far higher gi...but if u are on a carb diet for maintenance or bulk then as u say if your calculations are worked out correctly then no prob ....It also depends on how carb sensitive your system is as we all differ..not saying Honey is bad as a nutrient but if u fighting the fat then I would stay away from sugar honey fruit ect.
too much bru

Very True Mike. I myself am trying to pick up some muscle at the moment. Currently 90kg with +- 12% fat. I am happy with what the mirror shows, and will keep montitoring it. Currently I am trying to eat 338 g of protein, 165g of Carbs and 75g of fat. It is near impossible to pick up 100% lean muscle with no fat. So once I hit my target weight I will diet from there if need be.

Kaballas wrote: Very True Mike. I myself am trying to pick up some muscle at the moment. Currently 90kg with +- 12% fat. I am happy with what the mirror shows, and will keep montitoring it. Currently I am trying to eat 338 g of protein, 165g of Carbs and 75g of fat. It is near impossible to pick up 100% lean muscle with no fat. So once I hit my target weight I will diet from there if need be.

You weigh 90kg and trying to eat 338g of protein a day?

Isn't that a bit excessive? :huh:

Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but isn't the required amount like 2g per kg, maybe 2.5g? Even then that would mean you're eating enough protein for an individual of 135kg...

Anyways, thanks for the replies. Not looking for fatloss just yet, it might be summer and beach season and all that, but for me this is "off-season" haha, so just eating a lot and working out, without trying to be unhealthy though, hence the question.

I don't think it's refined honey though, as I get it from my cousin, he makes it himself (well, his bees do!)

There we go hasnt been through a process straight from the hive ..not the light coloured runny stuff more thick and brown almost pastey ?

Hi Theodoric. Thx for the reply

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I am trying to pick up lean muscle at this moment. Trying to go back to 95kg.

If I take my 90 kg * 0.88 LBM = 79.2
Multiply by 2.2 for Lbs = 174.24 g Protein for maintenance
Then I use a multiply factor of 2 which brings me to 348. (is this to much)

According to Harris Benedict formula I need 1982 kCalc a day without exercise just for maintaining weight.
Multiply by 1.3 for regular workout= 2575 KCalc
AS I want to increase my weight steadily I use *1.4 = 2773

Of this 2773 I want 1449 kCalc to come from Protein ( 346 * 4.184)
The remaining 1323 kCalc I split 50/50 between Carbs and Fats ( 158g Carb and 72g Fat)

Please let me know If I went wrong somewhere. Dont want to spend more on food than I need to.

2g per kg = 90 by 2 = 180g for maint
2.5per kg =90by 2.5 = 225 g for gains
3g per kg =90 by 3 = 270 g for serious body building

this is a rough guide boet

1 spoon of sugar can lower your immune system for up to 3 hours.

00pump wrote: 1 spoon of sugar can lower your immune system for up to 3 hours.

Please can you indicate where you located this, I would like to print out the article and give it to my wife. She believes in 3 spoons of sugar in her coffee...

Maybe if I tell her that too much sugar makes one perceptible to illness, I would really use that opportunity.

SV wrote:

00pump wrote: 1 spoon of sugar can lower your immune system for up to 3 hours.

Please can you indicate where you located this, I would like to print out the article and give it to my wife. She believes in 3 spoons of sugar in her coffee...

Maybe if I tell her that too much sugar makes one perceptible to illness, I would really use that opportunity.

It's all over the net, just google sugar and decreased immune system