Clen + yoh or FFF

Hey guys
Firstly, thanks for the wealth of knowledge you guys put out there. Let me start off with my stats before getting to the question(s).

25yrs old
1,83m
91kg
11% body fat - measured with callipers, not the wonder scale at VA

Diet:
Breakfast - 5 egg whites + 3 whole eggs with some steak strips occasionally

Snack - usually almonds or biltong

Lunch - protein ( chicken breasts/ beef or ostrich patties/ fish fillets) with veggies (broccoli/ cauliflower rice/ zucchini spaghetti)

Pre workout - BCAAs with L-arginine

Post workout - Casein + 20g of glucose ( I have mild residual renal impairment due to a childhood condition that was corrected, so I stay away from whey due to the rapid absorption of aminos that could strain the kidneys)

Supper (30min post workout) - usually some chicken breasts with veg again

I drink at least 3litres of water per day. I do usually have a couple castle lites on the weekend as well as a cheat meal. However, I will be cutting the beers out.

Training:

I have a very busy schedule so I try to do weights 4 times per week. Will be starting 20min of HIIT after weights from next week. My usual split is:

Day 1: chest + biceps + forearms
Day 2: quads + calves
Day3: hamstrings + shoulders
Day 4: back + triceps


On to my question(s):

1) I’m looking to aid my fat loss, I can’t seem to decide on clen + yohimbine or FFF? I was pretty much sold on FFF until I saw guys talking about the formula possibly being changed (I have read practically the whole thread +/- 27 pages of it).

2) If I do decide on FFF, could I add 10mg of yohimbine with it? I know it specifically says not to use use it with another fat burning agent unless very experienced or used under supervision, but I am assuming it most likely won’t have more than 10mg of yohimbine (from Pausinystalia bark) seeing as the recommended dose of yohimbine is a per kg dose (0.2mg/kg which translates to roughly 18mg for me) and you guys recommend it to women as well who most of the time weigh a lot less than the guys hence I ASSUME it wont have more than 10mg per dose.

Thanks a lot once again, your help is much appreciated

Personally I feel Clen and yohimbine is a better stack for fat loss than FFF

Noted thanks. Will see what the general consensus from the guys is.

ECAY stack.

So Clen YCA would be even better

YCA?

Yohimbine Caffeine Aspirin.

I normally use Ephedrine Caffeine Yohimbine Aspirin

Clenbuterol is even stronger than Ephedrine.

If I was you try Ephedrine Caffeine Aspirin Yohimbine first see how you feel and tolerate it. If all is good for your next run then try Clenbuterol Yohimbine Caffeine Aspirin.

I'd rather use clen in place of the caffeine and ephedrine TBH. Any experience on the 'new' FFF?

The whole situation about the "new" FFF has been blown out of proportion. Use it or don't use it and rather make up your own mind about it.

I was one of the last guys on the old formula and one of the first on the new. Both worked for me bud. For me only the bad side effects like nausea was gone after the formula changed so for me it was and is better especially now it can be used in or after PCT so you can enjoye its positives with less/no negatives. For my Lady, she also used old and new she said the new one is weaker and not as effective as the old one. But she is not the strictest when holding a diet so she just blamed the new formula.

For me FFF is still a good all-round product it supports weight loss from multiple angles and everything works in synergy.

Do you have experience with Clen?

@Admin - any reply regarding the rationale of adding 10mg of yohimbine to FFF?

@Rooi Bul - thanks for your input bud. I have experience with clen + yohimbine. Had good results just didn't enjoy the flushes and skin crawling sensation every time I tried to push out the last few reps of a set when I added yohimbine. But that's not enough to stop me from using it again

search4symmetry wrote: @Admin - any reply regarding the rationale of adding 10mg of yohimbine to FFF?

You can add 10mg of Yohimbine to FFF, but first start with just the FFF or just the plain Yohimbine before adding the other. Don't start both at the same time because that might be too much initially.

Thanks Admin. Much appreciated

The yoh in FFF is all i needed so i would stack the FFF with 40mcg clen and 20mcg T3. That works very
well.


Note- Only if you have xp with the compounds stack them. If you dont............then start with FFF for around 2 weeks, then introduce Clen and see how it goes, not more than 40mcg. T3 is the final compound i would add, also no more than 40mcg.

All this on a maintenance calory diet, no need to cut calories to low or you will loose muscle.

How to stack it does become tricky, but thats why we here

Everyone is different.

ECA does not work for me, I feel like shit on it. Super light headed and unpleasant.

Yohimbine by itself (of course I was fasting intermittently when taking it) was quite weak after a day or two, even at 20mg. Add some caffeine to the yohimbine and it gets better.

Clen by itself, well, it worked. Climb the ladder as you are suppose to and I found that the negative side effects were not all that bad. I got up to 120mcg and stayed there without any issues. I certainly dropped some weight!

Clen and yohimbine together is also really great! So far my favorite combo, I say feel free to add in some caffeine too. I just had a shot of espresso (Lavazza capsules) when I took the yohimbine & clen.

Never tried FFF, so I can't comment on that. Should you decide to run clen, do not forget to take something to up-regulate your beta 2 receptors. Betasleep is a popular choice and very cheap as well as OTC.

@Oupa and @PsyClown - Thanks for the input gents. Will be placing my order in the morning and will definitely update you guys on how things go.

Sorry don't want to hijack this but would like to ask about CYX3 product.
I see its a combinations clen, yohimbine, liothyronine sodium.

zacks wrote: Sorry don't want to hijack this but would like to ask about CYX3 product.
I see its a combinations clen, yohimbine, liothyronine sodium.

Axio's CYX3 potent stuff. You must be on anabolics to prevent your thyroid eating into hard gained muscle.

Thank you Oupa.
Dont want to step on toes but can I continue on this thread or must i start my own if i want to ask which anabolics to use with and to give stats?

zacks wrote: Thank you Oupa.
Dont want to step on toes but can I continue on this thread or must i start my own if i want to ask which anabolics to use with and to give stats?

Start a new thread please. One thread for one topic only.

On that diet of yours...if you can manage eggs why not add eggs to your postworkout? Wont that be more effective than cassein? Or go half and half. And there is very vew energy sources in the total diet...

If he does add eggs post workout then don't take any simple sugars alongside because your Cholesterol will shoot through the roof!

If you dudes don't mind, I'd like to slightly hijack this thread. Really not necessary to start a new one.

When going clen + yoh, would you stick to the recommended doses for both and when will the optimal time be to take the yoh?


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Hey vega

vega5 wrote: If you dudes don't mind, I'd like to slightly hijack this thread. Really not necessary to start a new one.

When going clen + yoh, would you stick to the recommended doses for both and when will the optimal time be to take the yoh?


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I would. Dose the Clen and Yoh upon waking, then do your fasted cardio within 30min of taking Yoh. If you are in deep ketosis or you are certain your insulin will remain low AF, you can take a chance and dose the Yoh another time.

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