Bulking and fat gain

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10 Aug 2022 22:37 #228196 by xxwolfxx
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Good day gents. I have run in to a problem with increased fat gain around my abdominal area on my bulk. Have tried fixing it by cutting down on fats and adding extra cardio but nothing seems to budge. Every time I eat a meal I get very bloated and my belly is very pronounced and round and ruins my entire physique. 

When I started training (again) I was very skinny and a hard gainer weighing in at 55kgs. 2 years later (less 8 months off training due to continuous injuries) I am now 95kgs but can't stop gaining fat. I miss being lean but I also love the mass and strength which is what I wanted. I just didn't expect so much fat gain.

My diet is clean, eating around 3500 to 4000 calories a day consisting of eggs, oats, chicken and rice mainly.

Currently running test e and deca and have 6 weeks left on this cycle. Should I just start cutting heavily after my deca cycle or is there something I can do to gain muscle mass and lose belly fat now? Would an AI perhaps help? 

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11 Aug 2022 07:46 #228201 by Empire
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Good day gents. I have run in to a problem with increased fat gain around my abdominal area on my bulk. Have tried fixing it by cutting down on fats and adding extra cardio but nothing seems to budge.
ok so you are gaining fat which means you are eating too much, and then you are just adding cardio to bring the surplus down, but still too high of a surplus. So a good analogy is, you are mixing concrete but it's too wet, so you adding in more concrete powder and sand but still adding in water. All you do is going to have a less running mixture, but still too much mixture. it's not that your fats are too high, it probably could be your protein is too low, and your carbs are too high. Fat gain is all about total calories consumed, not just from 1 macro nutritent.

Every time I eat a meal I get very bloated and my belly is very pronounced and round and ruins my entire physique. 

Welcome to digestion issues due to too much food. So if you are going too fast in your car, what do you do? slow down and reduce speed, or just keep pushing the accelerator? if you are constantly eating (which is needed to grow) you are going to constantly have a belly full of food and water which is going to cause bloating, and distention. Kind of like babies, they eat till they nearly pop, do some stimulation to grow muscle and learn new skills, sleep a lot, and then have a growth spurt. there is more to this equation.

other parts to the equation are : How is your sleep? how many days a week are you training? how many sets are you doing? how close to failure are you training? how is your form? what tempo are your reps? 


When I started training (again) I was very skinny and a hard gainer weighing in at 55kgs. 2 years later (less 8 months off training due to continuous injuries) I am now 95kgs but can't stop gaining fat. I miss being lean but I also love the mass and strength which is what I wanted. I just didn't expect so much fat gain.

your surplus is too high, and you arent recovering fast enough or building muscle fast enough to keep up with tendons and joints, and most likely the reason for the injuries. You are adding nitrous to your car without upgrading the rest of the parts and wondering why you keep on damaging the parts?

My diet is clean, eating around 3500 to 4000 calories a day consisting of eggs, oats, chicken and rice mainly.

do you wash your food before eating it making it clean? trying to figure that part out as it's not about the "cleanliness" of the calories, it is the excess of the calories. And by saying between 3500-4000 calories a day without a macro split breakdown is stabbing in the dark. lets put it down to numbers. you started at 55kgs and lets say for this example you needed 35kcal per kg to be in a surplus, and gain muscle with little to moderate fat gain. so 55kgs x 35 = 1925. by the time you hit 60kg you should be on 2100, 70kgs:2450. 80kgs you should be 2800, 90kgs should be 3150kcal, 95kgs should be 3325 and able to grow muscle, LONGER LOWER SLOWER. but you've probably jumped right in at 3500 from saying 70kgs which is 50kcal per kg and kept pushing up and now you wonder why the fat has accumulated. So if you should be at 3325 to be growing, and you are eating 4000kcal daily, means you are taking in an additional 675kcal. And you need about 9000kcal extra for fat gain. 9000/675 which is about a kg of additional fat every 2 weeks.

Currently running test e and deca and have 6 weeks left on this cycle. Should I just start cutting heavily after my deca cycle or is there something I can do to gain muscle mass and lose belly fat now? Would an AI perhaps help? 

First of all, what dosing of deca and test are you running? That may also be contributing to the additional water retention and estrogen issues due to high levels of BF. also you are taking compounds that are notoriously known to increase water retention both intracellularly and extracellularly and wondering why you are gaining water weight and "mass" and fat? an AI is going to reduce estrogen, but it has other knock-on cascades further down the line too which aren't going to be beneficial for muscle gain or retention. Remember estrogen plays a vital role in fat loss, libido, mood, joint health, cholesterol, etc, etc etc. Deca is a 19nor and does not convert to estrogen directly but can accumulate fluid through other pathways in the body. So taking Arimidex probably would be like wrapping your hand with a bandage because you stubbed your toe. It not going to work. 

so the best idea is probably to ride out your cycle, try and gain as much as you can, get your BF levels tested redesign your diet based on lean muscle retention, taper down calories, taper up cardio, take 8-12 weeks to diet off the fat gain, improve insulin sensitivity and start again, or find a proper coach (you can find me on social media if you dig hard enough, maybe if you beg admin, he will send my details to you) and have someone tailor your plan to you.

What's your guys thoughts?

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11 Aug 2022 08:48 #228206 by Obelix
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When I started training (again) I was very skinny and a hard gainer weighing in at 55kgs. 2 years later (less 8 months off training due to continuous injuries) I am now 95kgs 

My diet is clean, eating around 3500 to 4000 calories a day consisting of eggs, oats, chicken and rice mainly.


 


you sure about those numbers?
55 - 95 in 2 years? Did you eat lead?

and 3500 to 4000 a day, sjoe, im 161 and im eating 3000 (if empire asks) 

 

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11 Aug 2022 08:56 #228207 by Empire
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No, you eat 3000 for 6.5 days (harder weekly deficit) a week with skiploads on 1 day a week(allows for the 3F's, friends family, and food), and we diet break you every 8-10 weeks, where we come up to maintenance or just above, depending on your recovery in order to make continual progress.

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11 Aug 2022 11:24 #228208 by xxwolfxx
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A lot of insightful information. Thank you.

Yes that's exactly what I did I dived straight in to eating too many calories from around 70kgs.

My sleep is not great. I don't get much and when I do I get about 5 hours and it breaks and then get another 3 hours after. My training volume and intensity is quite high. I train 4 days a week and train to failure every session. I do 5 to 7 sets per exercise and about 4 to 5 exercises per muscle group. I don't pause between reps to maximise time under tension and rest 30 to 60 seconds (unless I'm squatting then I rest a bit longer). I have touched up on my form lately since I transitioned from powerbuilding to bodybuilding this year.

In terms of my cycle I'm running 480 test 330 deca per week.

Thank you again for all this knowledgeable insight I will definitely look you up.

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11 Aug 2022 11:31 #228209 by xxwolfxx
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Yes I'm certain. Bare in mind I was 75kgs in 2016 and then stopped training for 4 years because of Law school and lost a lot of weight due to poor sleep, high stress, hardly eating and taking ritalin. So my body already had the capacity to be at 75 kgs when I started training again in 2020 (muscle memory) so it didn't take very long to reach the 70s again. After I reached 75kgs again after about 6 months of only doing squat bench deadlifts and overhead presses (low reps high intensity) I hopped on my 1st cycle of test only and have been on and off gear since. That and my high calories intake lead to rapid mass gain.
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11 Aug 2022 11:34 #228210 by xxwolfxx
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When I started training (again) I was very skinny and a hard gainer weighing in at 55kgs. 2 years later (less 8 months off training due to continuous injuries) I am now 95kgs 

My diet is clean, eating around 3500 to 4000 calories a day consisting of eggs, oats, chicken and rice mainly.



 


you sure about those numbers?
55 - 95 in 2 years? Did you eat lead?

and 3500 to 4000 a day, sjoe, im 161 and im eating 3000 (if empire asks) 

Yes I'm certain. Bare in mind I was 75kgs in 2016 and then stopped training for 4 years because of Law school and lost a lot of weight due to poor sleep, high stress, hardly eating and taking ritalin. So my body already had the capacity to be at 75 kgs when I started training again in 2020 (muscle memory) so it didn't take very long to reach the 70s again. After I reached 75kgs again after about 6 months of only doing squat bench deadlifts and overhead presses (low reps high intensity) I hopped on my 1st cycle of test only and have been on and off gear since. That and my high calories intake lead to rapid mass gain.

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11 Aug 2022 11:45 #228211 by Empire
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" I do 5 to 7 sets per exercise and about 4 to 5 exercises per muscle group. I don't pause between reps to maximize time under tension and rest for 30 to 60 seconds."

here is why you are always injured. 20-35 sets per muscle group is retarded volume, like the maximum I take clients at the peak of a cycle is 80-100sets TOTAL overall muscle groups over a week. so I would hazard a guess to say that a lot of your training volume is junk volume, or not optimal, and sounds like if you are coming from powerlifting, most likely too heavy.

if you are training chest say 10 sets per week, and you are training triceps 10 sets per week. you can attribute 50% of your chest pressing motions to tricep work meaning you would only need to do 5 direct sets for triceps as 50% of the work is done in the presses.

reduction in sleep has been known to increase insulin resistance and blood sugar levels and lean muscle loss, so right now you are doing yourself a massive disservice by 1, training too much volume, 2 not sleeping enough, 3 eating too many calories, 4 carrying too much fat, 5 having poor insulin sensitivity.

so your recoverability is up to shit due to lack of sleep, probably due to being over-trained. you would need to drop a whole lot of water and get your sleep patterns right for your fat loss.

Your test amount is high. I would drop that max level of test to 3mg per kg. So if you are running test e I would drop it down to 1ml a week. there are many things you could do with that course to clear it up.
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11 Aug 2022 12:54 #228212 by xxwolfxx
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Cant thank you enough!

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