Cool Low Carb, High Fat, High protein Diet

Breakfast

Scrambled eggs (3 whole eggs and 3 whites)
3 slices bacon

Mid morning

1 scoop whey protein

Lunch

200 grams rib eye steak
2 cups broccoli

Midday snack

6 buffalo wings
6 celery sticks and blue cheese (use blue cheese sparingly)

Pre workout
Whey protein

Post workout
Whey protein
Casien protein

Dinner
Half rack ribs and 2 tablespoon BBQ sauce (watch the sugar content)
2 cups mixed green salad and 1 tablespoon olive oil/vinegar, blue cheese or ranch dressing
1 scoop whey protein

Before bed

1 scoop casiene protein

now that's a keto diet I can work with!!!
haha
what do the macros add up to Saizen?

It was taken from M&F mag December 2008.

Total calories: 2777
Protein: 274 grams
Carbs: 51 grams
Fat: 158 grams

they reckon it is for guys weighing in at around 90 kgs.

I weigh a bit more than that (110 kgs) so will adjust accordingly.

They also have a Saturday meal plan which is High Carb/Low fat.

sounds real good
when are you planning on starting?

saizen why not look at doing the palumbo diet,that diet looks full of saturated fats,and thats not good for u... palumbo diet is full of mono saturated fats which are good for the body...

what I have done is taken some of the Palumbo diet and this one and mix it up...only going to be on it for 4 weeks. I started yesterday with it...

DJ, I did use your diet you sent me for 3 weeks, so no disrespect bro:)

I find that when eating high protein and high fat low carbs, I tend to stay fuller for longer...so will see after 4 weeks how this goes.

BTW, am on VAR and GH at the moment.

see its difficult doing diets for people u dont see and know what body type they are,u are like me and keto is the definate way for our body types... your choice champ but i am on the palumbo diet to the exact t at the moment and i am loving it...

djeasye wrote:

see its difficult doing diets for people u dont see and know what body type they are,u are like me and keto is the definate way for our body types... your choice champ but i am on the palumbo diet to the exact t at the moment and i am loving it...

What are your carbs on the Palumbo diet?

I like the diet and follow similar pattern, but with lower carbs.
I add a carb only meal 2x week to replenish muscle glycogen.

Agree with DJ though to add in some mono fats for your heart-olive oil to the whey shakes

Honestly, the best stuff for full Omega's is Absolute Organix Omega 3:6:9 oil...2 tablespoons in the morning and you sorted along with Macadamia nut butter and some Almonds.

Not cheap...but its so worth it especially if you are running VAR @ 80mg per day...

djeasye wrote:

saizen why not look at doing the palumbo diet,that diet looks full of saturated fats,and thats not good for u... palumbo diet is full of mono saturated fats which are good for the body...

Yeah bro, this is quite a controversial topic. My lady gaga pointed out that Dr. Atkins actually prescribed the Atkins diet for people with heart conditions. The Atkins diet is of course loaded with saturated fats and was one of the first ketogenic diets ever. There are papers that show initially improved lipid profiles in individuals entering ketosis even without weightloss (which would naturally improve lipid profile). Of course there is lit to the contrary and not enough information on the long term effect of extended diets. Dr. Atkins was a heart doctor, but many think he died from his compounding heart problems.

Inja wrote:

djeasye wrote:

saizen why not look at doing the palumbo diet,that diet looks full of saturated fats,and thats not good for u... palumbo diet is full of mono saturated fats which are good for the body...

Yeah bro, this is quite a controversial topic. My lady gaga pointed out that Dr. Atkins actually prescribed the Atkins diet for people with heart conditions. The Atkins diet is of course loaded with saturated fats and was one of the first ketogenic diets ever. There are papers that show initially improved lipid profiles in individuals entering ketosis even without weightloss (which would naturally improve lipid profile). Of course there is lit to the contrary and not enough information on the long term effect of extended diets. Dr. Atkins was a heart doctor, but many think he died from his compounding heart problems.

I remember reading about the origins of the ketogenic diet in a book on nutrition. As far as I remember it stemmed from fasting diets for epilepsy patients which were first recorded 300/400bc (or something like that), In the 1920's a doctor designed a ketogenic diet as a way to help people with epilepsy as some patients showed good results. Atkins later made it popular as a weight loss diet he used himself to loose weight with, I think he stole it from a medical journal or a study he read on the diet.

I wish I kept the book so I could give the name of the study... but there was a study that compared the ketogenic diet to normal restricted calorie diets over a few months where it showed that after the inital water loss associated with a ketogenic diet, the difference is negligable in actual fat loss.

Find some articles on the Web about Body Opus and Lyle Macdonald...

Lyle is the guru about Keto diets...he wrote a book called "Ultimate Diet"

check it out...

UltimateThug wrote:

I wish I kept the book so I could give the name of the study... but there was a study that compared the ketogenic diet to normal restricted calorie diets over a few months where it showed that after the inital water loss associated with a ketogenic diet, the difference is negligable in actual fat loss.

There will be rapid water loss at the start of a keto diet but that's because there is no glycogen in the muscles to hold on to water. But there is still fat loss on the diet...no carb equals no insulin spike and no insulin means no conversion glucose to glycogen and fat. This inturn activates lipolysis which requires ketosis for lipolysis to occur and vice versa and fat is broken down. So its logical that you will lose fat even after the initial loss of water and in copmparison to restricted calorie diets. With restricted calorie diets, carbs are still not under 20-40g and so there is no signal to tell the body to go into ketosis/lipolysis (this signal occurs in the absence of insulin)and hence fat is not broken down. Fat will get broken down on these diets with cardio etc as you deplete glycogen and the body then has to use free fatty acids (from the break down of fat) as an energy source and then you will get fat loss. This is also why a keto diet increases insulin sensitivity so if ur a BB, this diet will also benefit you when introducing short sugars after a workout as all the muscles will store the glucose as glycogen.

This isn't the study I'm refering to but found this one with a quick google search.... What I can see from this though is, ketogenic tyoe diets might be a better diet for what we need, to loose a lot in a short amount of time....


"Methods We conducted a one-year, multicenter, controlled trial involving 63 obese men and women who were randomly assigned to either a low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diet or a low-calorie, high-carbohydrate, low-fat (conventional) diet. Professional contact was minimal to replicate the approach used by most dieters."

Results Subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet had lost more weight than subjects on the conventional diet at 3 months (mean [±SD], –6.8±5.0 vs. –2.7±3.7 percent of body weight; P=0.001) and 6 months (–7.0±6.5 vs. –3.2±5.6 percent of body weight, P=0.02), but the difference at 12 months was not significant (–4.4±6.7 vs. –2.5±6.3 percent of body weight, P=0.26). After three months, no significant differences were found between the groups in total or low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations. The increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations and the decrease in triglyceride concentrations were greater among subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet than among those on the conventional diet throughout most of the study. Both diets significantly decreased diastolic blood pressure and the insulin response to an oral glucose load.

Conclusions The low-carbohydrate diet produced a greater weight loss (absolute difference, approximately 4 percent) than did the conventional diet for the first six months, but the differences were not significant at one year. The low-carbohydrate diet was associated with a greater improvement in some risk factors for coronary heart disease. Adherence was poor and attrition was high in both groups. Longer and larger studies are required to determine the long-term safety and efficacy of low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diets."

Bee, you might be able to read more into this, but I see they say high carb low fat diet as the comparison, high as in higher than a ketogenic diet or high as in higher then our typical 50%Prot/30%Carbs/20%fat style diets, which would make it interesting to see the difference between ketogenic and our typical cutting diets, as we might already be near the type of loss achieved on ketogenic style diets with our reduced carb percentage?

Resource...
content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/348/21/2082

Pure keto is used effectively in epilepsy patients with some good results-75% showed improvement and some mild cases totally cured.

It alters the energy used for fuel from glycogen to ketones and it is found that ketones cause the far less excitability in the brain than glycogen.

Vince Gironda was preaching the keto diet for bodybuilders long before Atkins commercialised it and made a fortune out of it.