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17 Feb 2010 19:46 #36744 by Hayabusa
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I am starting to grow feathers and want to know if it is a bad idea to switch to lean mince? For some reason I never get tired eating beef but with chicken I am at the point where I keep on chewing it to almost a liquid and refuse to swallow.....the chicken.


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17 Feb 2010 19:50 #36746 by Yohimbe
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Hayabusa wrote:

I am starting to grow feathers and want to know if it is a bad idea to switch to lean mince? For some reason I never get tired eating beaf but with chicken I am at the point where I keep on chewing it to almost a liquid and refuse to swallow.....the chicken.


NS: Waarom het ek Karma? Take it away please. I feel gay. ...


Well it's not that bad, at least you're refusing to swallow :P :P

What does you're diet look like? On keto the fat from mince will do you good.

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17 Feb 2010 19:52 #36747 by Sting
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Hayabusa wrote:

I am starting to grow feathers and want to know if it is a bad idea to switch to lean mince? For some reason I never get tired eating beaf but with chicken I am at the point where I keep on chewing it to almost a liquid and refuse to swallow.....the chicken.


NS: Waarom het ek Karma? Take it away please. I feel gay....

I feel your pain!

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17 Feb 2010 20:02 #36748 by Yohimbe
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Beesting wrote:

Hayabusa wrote:

I am starting to grow feathers and want to know if it is a bad idea to switch to lean mince? For some reason I never get tired eating beaf but with chicken I am at the point where I keep on chewing it to almost a liquid and refuse to swallow.....the chicken.


NS: Waarom het ek Karma? Take it away please. I feel gay....

I feel your pain!


You feel gay?
I can take away some karma if you want, but I suggest you roll with it, and take a few pics :) :)

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17 Feb 2010 20:02 #36749 by Hayabusa
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Yo,

I am not into the diet thing too deep. The squirrel is going to smile at this, but I am only going for the correct Prot and Carb values to bulk. I will diet in the near future taken precaution not to drop too much muscle using real "vitamines".

Sorry for the beaf that should have been beef. Some days I am just plain stupid.

Please, take only two :lol:

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17 Feb 2010 20:12 #36752 by Empire
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well depending on how u cook your mince dude,also why not make your chicken into your own chicken mince,if u are getting sick of chicken then u are cooking it wrong.take 1 kg chicken fillets and put it in a food blender and make into a chicken paste, take a pan spray and cook it,take 1 beef stock cube,add the stock cube and 50mls of water in the pan untill the stock cube is dissolved... add in your chicken paste,make sure u keep moving the chicken around untill your chicken turns from pink to white,turn the pan down and allow to simmer in its own juices untill the water evaporates off the chicken...once the chicken is "dry" then add in salt,pepper,garlic,and other spices,i like to use aromat chilli beef with some salt and vinegar salt and u will see that chicken is no longer boring... if u are going to cook your mince in order to make your mince lean as in 3g of fat per 100g of cooked weight which is bloody minimal, take your mince,place in a hot pan thats sprayed with spray and cook... allow to brown for 5-7 minutes by constantly moving it around the pan, once all the meat has browned place a lid on the pan and allow to simmer on a medium heat for 4-5mins untill the meat starts to seep water out of it..put the kettle on to boil, take a sieve and put it in a bowl.... take you now cooked mince and put it in the metal sieve and allow to drain the water and fat off... after 5 mins of draining and steam coming off of the mince,pour 1liter of boiling hot water through the mince constantly stirring the mince whilst pouring the water through it... allow to drip and drain for 5 mins,disgard this water in the bowl, repeat the process... place now drained mince back in a pan to brown a bit longer,add in thyme,salt pepper,spices and any other herbs...cook for 2 mins untill the mince is browned... u will now have mince that has 3g of fat per 100g of cooked weight making it an extremely lean meal... the protein value of the mince doesnt change but the fat content is reduced...

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17 Feb 2010 20:18 #36753 by Empire
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ummm just a question,what are your correct values to bulk? u do realise if your carbs are too high your bulk will be alot of fat gain... are u basing your protein carbs and fats on lean body mass or over all body mass... bulking is not just guess work bud,u gotta know certain things... say for instance u take your bulking at 3.3g of protein per kg of body weight... now if u are at 100kgs at 15% body fat, thats the difference of 85kgs x 3.3g of protein vs 100kg vs 3.3g of protein 280g of protein vs 330g protein is 50g which is 200calories... so if u are going on over all mass and u want to bulk at 500-750 cals extra to gain muscle, u will see that if u are adding in 750cals from fat and carbs,u are acutally taking in 950 calories and what u gotta realise is if u are over eating calories be it from protein or be it from carbs and fats if u are over eating u are still over eating and u will be gaining fat vs gaining muscle...

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17 Feb 2010 20:21 #36754 by Sting
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And I thought I was the only one who did that to get rid of excess fat :silly:

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17 Feb 2010 20:49 #36756 by Hayabusa
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Squirrel,
Thanks for the tip. I put me chicken in a pressure cooker without that piece of metal on the pipe to build up the pressure.
It is a lot of trouble cooking like that. I will have to get married real soon…again. Just have to find a woman that is not into satisfying the neighbourhood. (I didn’t say bitch, did I? Close call.)
No, I follow you, but I am not into comps so I do not really worry too much. I boost the prot more than the carbs since I am the type that gets fat easy, but I need the carbs for energy. I am very sensitive when it comes to my belly. I will have to diet but I will always have a "big" belly due to my spine. When at 72.9kg (at 183cm) long ago, it still seemed as if I had a belly. I have a nice ass though due to the arch of the spine. :-) Okay, enough gay talk.
I am at 122 and can drop about 15kg's. I just believe in rather over eating when bulking to maximize things and then diet down. Getting the point where you get just about enough of everyting is difficult since we all differ and it keeps on moving as you get bigger. If I look at Coke I get a belly.

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17 Feb 2010 21:51 #36757 by milktuds
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I am exactly the same boet, kak spine that pushes my belly out. My bodyfat is 12% at the moment and I look like I have a boep. When I bulk I get good gains but then my belly gains a lot of fat as well. So I am trying to find a diet that works for me, so far fokkol.

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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18 Feb 2010 06:29 #36763 by Empire
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Milktuds bro u got a diet from me u must mail me and tell me things like that so i can make adjustments for u bro...mail me and i will change a few things....

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18 Feb 2010 08:18 #36768 by Barbell
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Try tuna...its the other chicken.... B)

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18 Feb 2010 08:45 #36780 by Empire
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Hayabusa wrote:

Squirrel,

It is a lot of trouble cooking like that.


well dude thats the beauty of it,u can cook like that in bulk,i cook 30 chicken and 30 beef mince portions at once and then place them in sandwhich bags and place them in the freezer,when i need a meal i take it out and place in the microwave for 2minutes and i am ready to eat...cooking in bulk saves alot of time,i cook once a month other than my eggs for breakfast...choice is yours..saves alot of time and hassles...

also if u are looking at coke and getting a belly then u are very sensetive to carbs and shouldnt be taking them in at the wrong times of the days,how ever there are ways around the whole bloated thing,if u take your carbs at the correct timing and adjust your other macro's then u wont have a problem... thats where my knowledge comes in bro..hence the reason i charge for diets...

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18 Feb 2010 08:57 #36788 by BB_guy
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Shit, I had no idea you could keep cooked,frozen chicken so long... Thanx for the tip DJ
While we talking about chicken, how long can you keep chicken or any meat in the fridge, cooked but not frozen?

ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ

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18 Feb 2010 09:02 #36792 by Empire
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i have kept in the fridge for a week and no problems...dude why couldnt u keep cooked chicken in the freezer? it stops in from turning rancid, now i suggest cooking it and freezing it and then defrosting it and eating it straight away,dont defrost it and then refreeze it...thats where u can get nasty little bugs from...my family cooks lasagne,chicken or beef in advance and freezes them,when they are ready to eat them they stick them in the oven to defrost and are ready to go...

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18 Feb 2010 09:03 #36794 by Sting
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BB_guy wrote:

Shit, I had no idea you could keep cooked,frozen chicken so long... Thanx for the tip DJ
While we talking about chicken, how long can you keep chicken or any meat in the fridge, cooked but not frozen?

I wouldnt leave it for more than three days

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18 Feb 2010 09:23 #36795 by BB_guy
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djeasye wrote:

i have kept in the fridge for a week and no problems...dude why couldnt u keep cooked chicken in the freezer? it stops in from turning rancid, now i suggest cooking it and freezing it and then defrosting it and eating it straight away,dont defrost it and then refreeze it...thats where u can get nasty little bugs from...my family cooks lasagne,chicken or beef in advance and freezes them,when they are ready to eat them they stick them in the oven to defrost and are ready to go...


I think its a great time saver and a good idea,
Just never actually thought of it.
Gonna try cook some food for the week ahead and freeze it.

@Bee For me anything after about a day and a bit, and the thought of eating it just doesn't sound lekka, even though as you guys say it should still be fine.

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18 Feb 2010 09:28 #36797 by Sting
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It will be fine, just don't leave it too long in the fridge otherwise u get bacterial biofilms and the food goes rancid and they start producing toxins so you risk food poisoning

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18 Feb 2010 11:28 #36808 by milktuds
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djeasye wrote:

Milktuds bro u got a diet from me u must mail me and tell me things like that so i can make adjustments for u bro...mail me and i will change a few things....


Dropped u some mail.

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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18 Feb 2010 14:07 #36829 by milktuds
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Sent you a reply Dj. Schweet

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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18 Feb 2010 19:46 #36925 by Hayabusa
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DJ,

I cook 10kg at a time due to time. I have only Saturdays for myself and I refuse to spend that in the kitchen. It depends on how much water they freeze with the chicken but you get between 600 and 800g per kg, thus 10kg raw will last me about a week. The last batch I am sure they slaughtered some turkey since the meat is much more dense.

I am trying to take in the last carbs at 15H00 but I am not going to spike you for guidance because it is only fair to pay for it.

Something interesting, although sensitive to carbs it seems as if only this first x amount of grams makes a difference, after that I can double it without any increase in weight.

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18 Feb 2010 19:54 #36928 by Hayabusa
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Barbell,

I love tuna but it gets stuck in my throat for some shitty reason causing bad breath. It is a small piece that sometimes comes up if you cough and it smells really…well, not good and I HATE bad breath…well actually anything that smells. Even my dog knows this if it dares to shit in my house because it survive my attacks barely everytime…

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28 Feb 2010 01:09 #38212 by Inja
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Hayabusa wrote:

I am starting to grow feathers and want to know if it is a bad idea to switch to lean mince? For some reason I never get tired eating beef but with chicken I am at the point where I keep on chewing it to almost a liquid and refuse to swallow.....the chicken.


NS: Waarom het ek Karma? Take it away please. I feel gay....


If you can't stomach tuna what about hake? Another cheap option I love to swap out with my chicken.

P.S. I have removed all your karma so you can feel manly again.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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