Circuit Training To Get in Ketosis Faster

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04 Jun 2010 13:13 #45805 by BigDave
I was reading an article, that suggested circuit training as a good way to deplete glycogen and get into ketosis quicker.

It makes sense as your heart rate is elevated, you will be using up liver glycogen for fuel. Using your muscles on the machines will deplete muscle glycogen.

It's a full body workout so that you can deplete most of your muscles, and then start drawing glycogen from your liver to fuel your muscles.

I'm sure Super-Circuit (incorporating the steps) will work even better.

What do you think?

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04 Jun 2010 13:56 #45813 by Sting
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Glycogen is usually depleted in two days or so even without training...but hey if you have the energy at the start of keto to train then go ahead. Just remeber that at the start of keto, your body hasn't switched metabolic pathways yet, so if you use up all glycogen and your body is not utilising stored bosy fat as an energy source yet then you are going to burn into muscle

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04 Jun 2010 15:13 #45818 by BigDave
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Beesting wrote:

Glycogen is usually depleted in two days or so even without training...but hey if you have the energy at the start of keto to train then go ahead.


At the start of keto you usually have the most energy, as your glycogen stores are full.

Just remeber that at the start of keto, your body hasn't switched metabolic pathways yet, so if you use up all glycogen and your body is not utilising stored bosy fat as an energy source yet then you are going to burn into muscle


That's what ketostix are for, as soon as they turn purple, i drop the intensity.

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04 Jun 2010 15:24 #45819 by Sting
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BigDave wrote:

Beesting wrote:

Glycogen is usually depleted in two days or so even without training...but hey if you have the energy at the start of keto to train then go ahead.


At the start of keto you usually have the most energy, as your glycogen stores are full.


Yes glycogen stores are full, what I meant was when you start, your body feels kak so not everyone will want to train but if you can then great
BigDave wrote:

Beesting wrote:

Just remeber that at the start of keto, your body hasn't switched metabolic pathways yet, so if you use up all glycogen and your body is not utilising stored bosy fat as an energy source yet then you are going to burn into muscle


That's what ketostix are for, as soon as they turn purple, i drop the intensity.


They aren't always accurate so you might be in ketosis and the stix wont indicate you are so you might be burning some muscle, they are just a guide

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04 Jun 2010 15:58 #45823 by Empire
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i never ever test positive with keto stix...yet i seem to have every other sign under the sun to state i am in ketosis,yet if i was to base it on the silly stix i would never be in ketosis..

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04 Jun 2010 19:36 #45826 by BigDave
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DJ wrote:

i never ever test positive with keto stix...yet i seem to have every other sign under the sun to state i am in ketosis,yet if i was to base it on the silly stix i would never be in ketosis..


Think about it. Ketostix were developed to test for Ketoacidosis a LIFE THREATENING condition. Bayer would have been sued for hundreds of millions of dollars if they weren't accurate.

In the US, there is a brand of Ketostix called Lipostix - they measure the degree of lipolysis you're in. The darker they are the more fat you're burning

What people don't realise is that it is possible for your metabolism to function in a combination of glycolysis and lipolysis. If your strips aren't turning, you're still mainly functioning in glycolysis (even if your carbs are zero, protein can be converted into glycogen). You may have lost water weight and your breath may smell like acetone, you're in ketosis sure, but the degreee to which is very slight, and i can guarantee you you're not losing fat as fast as you would if they were turning.

KETOSTIX ARE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT TOOL WHEN FOLLOWING A KETOGENIC DIET FOR FAT LOSS, AND THEY ARE HIGHLY ACCURATE.

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04 Jun 2010 20:10 #45828 by Sting
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BigDave wrote:


KETOSTIX ARE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT TOOL WHEN FOLLOWING A KETOGENIC DIET FOR FAT LOSS, AND THEY ARE HIGHLY ACCURATE.


I disagree but I won't argue with you. The stix may be accurate as the reaction that occurs is very specific but keep in mind that various factors will influence the result you visualize on the stix so in turn the result is not accurate but is rather just an indication of the degree of ketosis which you would use just as a guide but it's not essential when following a ketogenic diet. The stix weren't designed for people so that they could follow keto diets

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04 Jun 2010 20:14 #45829 by Mr Moose
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BigDave:

I dont disagree fully but like DJ havent had great success in using them - not that i keto myself i would rather die but have tried using them with clients in the past who also show every sign under the sun and follow rigorously and still come up negative, think Bee is right only really effective in our application when used as a guide??

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04 Jun 2010 20:35 #45832 by Joey
Since these Stix had a purpose for development what is the danger limit with regards to time on how long such a diet becomes unhealthy or dangerous? How long do Pro's normally spend time doing such a diet?

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04 Jun 2010 20:55 #45836 by BigDave
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Mr Moose wrote:

...but have tried using them with clients in the past who also show every sign under the sun and follow rigorously and still come up negative, think Bee is right only really effective in our application when used as a guide??

Peace


Let me repeat myself then :

"What people don't realise is that it is possible for your metabolism to function in a combination of glycolysis and lipolysis. If your strips aren't turning, you're still mainly functioning in glycolysis (even if your carbs are zero, protein can be converted into glycogen). You may have lost water weight and your breath may smell like acetone, you're in ketosis sure, but the degreee to which is very slight."

Your clients were converting dietary protein into glycogen. This is science, not like my opinion. Don't believe me, i'll repost this study then :

www.medbio.info/Horn/PDF%20files/liver%20glycogen%20exp.pdf

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04 Jun 2010 21:01 #45839 by BigDave
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Joey wrote:

Since these Stix had a purpose for development what is the danger limit with regards to time on how long such a diet becomes unhealthy or dangerous? How long do Pro's normally spend time doing such a diet?


www.thelowcarbgrocery.com/resources-ketosis.php

"Ketosis is a metabolic state, more accurately called benign dietary ketosis. Ketosis is a perfectly safe bodily function.

Benign dietary ketosis is often confused with the dangerous metabolic state called "ketoacidosis", which may occur in Type 1 diabetics with very high blood sugar or in severe alcoholics after a binge."

You can live your whole life in ketosis, the Inuit used to.

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04 Jun 2010 21:07 #45841 by Joey
BigDave wrote:

Joey wrote:

Since these Stix had a purpose for development what is the danger limit with regards to time on how long such a diet becomes unhealthy or dangerous? How long do Pro's normally spend time doing such a diet?


www.thelowcarbgrocery.com/resources-ketosis.php

"Ketosis is a metabolic state, more accurately called benign dietary ketosis. Ketosis is a perfectly safe bodily function.

Benign dietary ketosis is often confused with the dangerous metabolic state called "ketoacidosis", which may occur in Type 1 diabetics with very high blood sugar or in severe alcoholics after a binge."

You can live your whole life in ketosis, the Inuit used to.


Interesting indeed! So is it true then that if you have been in Ketosis for a very long time that once you start consuming carbs again your body will just discard them as it somehow got used to only burning fat. Basically "your body doesn't know what to do with the carbs" anymore! Sry for asking but thats what I've picked up at www.elitefitness.com/forum ...

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