Is Diet sufficient for Ketosis

abc123 i wouldnt hand out information like that cos u are gonna get someone that over does it

I agree that is the one substance that I will never toy with seen to much people really get hurt. Or even got permanent diabetes. And DJ i dropped the calories a little as it is feeling i am eating to much. My strength is still in top
shape Today is legs will see if i can still do my 560kg on the legpress, That is usually the first place i can see wher e my strength decreases. Thanks for the input. And DJ on the sucrose topic. Will a simple sugar kick me out lets say on my cheat day i eat a chocolate. Litterally one chocolate. With my high carb meal? Thanks DJ have some karma not that you dont have enough

sucrose wont kick u out,and if it does u need alot of it,remember like dave said,u have the ability to store 100g of glycogen in the liver and i would say about 400-500g in the muslces(more than likely more) a slab of chocolate will have about 65g of sugars... the only thing is the fat content is high,so if u wanna have chocolate save it for the second meal in your 3 hours...it doesnt matter if u get kicked out of ketosis,u should be back into ketosis by latest monday night,i never notice the difference when i slip out of ketosis other than a slight bit of lethargy and slight head ache once or twice...

bro u saw some of the cheat meals i was having at one stage,close on 5000calories...i still got leaner and fuller and even stronger....u gotta work your way up to that but it will happen that u will need to feed more the leaner u get in order to boost leptin levels...

Bro I saw that cheat meals. And WOW what a legend. hahahaha. But i got the idea what you are talking about building it up my equi is starting to give me real bad appetite. I snacked today on biltong. I am hitting Equi 175mg and Prop 100mg EOD. for 6 weeks. But must say with the diet so far i am pleased. Not losing all the weight that fast but more cm around the waist. Dropped like 4 cm in this week and a half. So something i am doing is working.

My kidneys are just sore and my water intake is 3 liters a day? Maybe flush with citris soda or something?????????

And so lets say like you said firts meal is high carb and hig h protein with no fat and 3 hours after that is Protein carb and fat...

What can i do with the first meal maybe sweet potato and a steak. Weighed definitely ? and then the second meal something i am craving.

Thanks DJ Lifesaver as usual

no i mean like the first part of the meal i am talking about biscuits,waffles,pancakes, all high in sugar,low fiber low fat and protein,then the second part of the meal,burgers/pizza ice cream,pasta with sauce etc. get what i am saying/?

I am with you Sounds great. To be precise how many hours are we looking at? 3 hours?

And i just finished training strength is normal actually trained leke. BUT NOW I REALLY NEED HELP ON THIS MY KIDNEYS ARE REALLY SORE, lower back. Is this normal will it pass. Even when on high dbol my kidneys dont feel like this. What can i use to maybe flush the kidneys. ?

Another thing what happens if i increase carbs during the week slightly like with veg. dont know if my body needs the veg for the kidneys?

i am not to sure dude,i would try up that water intake maybe? go to your pharmacy and ask your pharmacist for something for kidneys...

yes use 3 hours,eat untill full at the beginning of the 3 hours and then again at the end of the 3 hours,that way u wont feel sick and u will still get in your required carbs.

Sorry dont mean to intrude, but are you getting my mails DJ?

Thanx DJ.

Researched last night and it looks like its common to get lower back pains on low carb keto based diets. But 95% of the people went and checked it out and kidneys were fine. Just a change in diet that the body and kidneys get a shock with all the water going through. I will suck it up and hammer it.

Thanx DJ for the help bru what a lifesaver

xrsist,i have replied to them,i am using my note book at the moment cos my home pc died on me and that where i download all my mails but i have replied to everything i recieved since on my online gmail account,just resend the mail and i will double check if i have replied...

Will do Thanx, havent recieved replies to the last two .....

Resent the mail...

Roozer... can you post your before and current stats....
Just interesting to see the progress.

mr_sa the first week/2 weeks on keto dont really give u a true indication of fat loss,i mean case in point,this past weekend i went on a food bender and ate more than a small afican nation eats in a year whilst away for the weekend,i weighed in at 99.5kgs on monday morning. 4 days into my keto diet i am now down to 93.8kgs. it just goes to show that carbs make u retain loads of water and u will loose all that water in the first week or two as well as deplete glycogen stores which can be up to 2kgs of "weight" essentially u should make sure that u are loosing weight after the 2nd week even without cardio...so the first week u might drop like i did which is quite a bit but i am not worried about the first week,i am worried about the 15weeks that follow that.like i said i am doing something different this time,i am only doing 2 x 20mins cardio sessions a week,thats it,the rest i have a little trick up my sleeve..

Interesting!!
Gees... you really did eat alot bud if your weight went up by that much!
16 Weeks of Keto????? You wanna get to 1% body fat or something??
What has your weight been at its lowest point DJ?
I sent you a mail this mornign DJ... you get it?

Quick question... would a person put on muscle during Keto??/ As you are still taking in protein??
Might be a dumb question.

u wont really put on muscle as there are not enough additional calories to do so...yes i got your mail,cant send u your diet yet cos i am waiting for my new pc and then i will get back to u.bro u can stay on keto 52weeks in a year,if thats what it takes to get super lean then thats what u need to do...

protein is essential for the body to survive like supporting organs and hair growth and all other body functions,u need an additional amount of protein for muscle to grow,but to much protein on a keto diet is not gonna work as it will get converted to glucose through glucogenisis. so u gotta realize that u are doing keto to maintain muscle and strength,create a calorie deficit and burn fat....

Cool man...
Hope you get your PC soon!

Yes mr SA. well started on 101.4 kg and weighed this morning 96.7 kg so its not bad, can really feel it was all the water dropping but i tapered my letro down and from today finished yesterday went up by 0.7 kg but was all water from my last shot of testoviron. The biggest thing is were i am seeing the results are on my mid section. I am dropping cm's like a machine. in this 2 weeks dropped 4 cm on my waist.

Going to Keto for 8 more weeks. Want to drop to about 88-87 kg.

Wow, great results man... keep it up!!!
Get some before and after pics.

No probs bud will post transformation in the end of my cycle and diet so it will be after 8 more weeks but i recon i will look good. will keep this thread running with weekly stats

Funny how it works, kidneys was sore yesterday like when you are on high dose of naps. But today fine. Did some research and lots of people on forums that are doing low carb diets such as atkins and sort suffer from lower back pain.

The one guy recommended upping the calcium and magnesium. So i tried it took a double dose of dolomite yesterday keeping the water intake the same. And miraculous the kidneys have no prob, or lets say no more lower back pain. just some food for thought

Oh ja i see that i cant actually take the citrus soda as it contains high amount of glucose. So maybe i can take it on my cheat day or will it break me down from ketosis. As citrus soda breaks down all acids?

Had my cheat meal last night weight stayed exactly the same as the sunday. so i am 5.3 kg down and the ketostix are not in puple anymore but went down to pink the feeble one. So body is still producing ketones. This is a good thing.On my midsection i am a total 7cm down in just 2 weeks so that i am really liking. will see what happens this week.