Keto

Hi Guys been on my cycle this is now my 3rd week been on test 1000mg per week and tren 300mg per week. picked up around 2.5 kgs and noticed everything is tighting up nicely. Just one thing around my stomach its looks like im putting on a bit of extra fat. I have only started taking some proviron the other day so if it is estrogen related this should help soon. Was thinking about going on the keto diet while I am on my cycle does anybody think this is a good idea while you are on a cycle? Also how does the Keto diet rate against a diet were you cycle your carbs for the week so you have medium carbs for 2 days low carbs for two days then medium carbs again for two days and on the last day is your cheat day I have read this is also quiet effective any opinions?

I run a carb cycle diet for the first 8 weeks then Kato the last 4 weeks.

u wont put on muscle with keto diets,if your protein is too high for the day it will knock u out of ketosis, u need carbs for maximum muscle contraction for putting on muscle. if u are putting on fat do this : clean up the food u are eating, drop mass builders and swop for whole food.lower your carbs for the day,u are probably eating to many carbs etc and hence the reason for the body fat gain.

@DJ thanks for the advice i appreciate it what do you think about supercharged idea were you carb cycle for 8 weeks then keto for 4 weeks? At the moment my diet looks like this. Breakfast 6 eggs 2 yolk 6 white scrambled 1 serving of whey with water and 1 serving of a cereal called future life its new on the shelf and looks really good 1 serving gives you around 60g carbs and 20g protein. I sometimes alternate this with some oats about a 50g serving. Mid morning. 200g to 250g chicken fillet with 100g basmati rice or sweet potato. Lunch. Same as above. late afternoon 1 serving of whey with water sometimes have a fruit here as well apple or banana. Post workout 1 serving of whey with water with 1 serving of sa supplements carb drink 50g. Supper 200g to 250g of grilled meat what ever my wife has cooked normally fish chicken or steak sometimes she grilles pork i just then cut out the fatty peaces only eat the lean meat. Before bed 1 serving of slow release protein around 20g of protein. Oh my whey gives me around 22g of protein per a serving on the on the days i eat lower carbs i will sub the rice or potato for veg but then make the serving size around 150g of veg. Will eat med carbs mon & tues then low carbs wed & thur were i have the veg in place of rice or potato then fri and sat have med carbs again then on sunday eat whatever i dont pig out here though i just eat normal food.

get a food scale... weigh your food it will give u 100% accurate results..u need to know 100% of the caloires going in to your body.

Hi dj thanks for the feedback i know you and me have had our own different views on a few certain subjects but i do appriciate the advise given. I got a food scale i do measure reason for me saying the chicken is between 200g and 250g is because i buy a 10 kg box of chicken fillet at a time and then re pack them into smaller bags and freeze them some chicken pieces are 200g and some are closer to 250g. What i am planning on doing is making all my serving 250g buy adding in to the ones that are only 200g. Oh yeah forgot to tell you with supper i dont have any carbs only veg and / or a salad salad dressing is always low fat. On a diet like this with 3 to 4 20min cardio sessions a week wanting to cut a bit of fat and still gain some quality muscel. What do you think? Also what do you recon about supercharged idea thanks Dj.

Oh yeah one more thing dj why do you say if you have to much protein for one day it will through you out of keto? Thanks

Doesnt the protein get used as carbs or converted to carbs if there's too much? Something like that?

correct,excess protein will get converted to glucose through glucogenisis at a rate of 50% so every 10g of protien u will yield 5g of carbs.

I know this will be :offtopic but, the more I research on Keto diets, the more I'm thinking it wont work well on a "building" cycle. Unless my brain isnt registering the concept too well. . .

thats why u just add in carbs where u need them bleeding eyes,like pre work out,post work out and for breakfast,the rest of your meals will be protien and fats.

Yeah, I did read that carbs should be used only before gym. Awesome. Thanks DJ!

not only before gym champ,u will also need carbs post work out to replenish glycogen stores,spike insulin and help repair muscle,u also have carbs for breakfast to help replenish liver glycogen stores but also u will have the whole day ahead of you that will burn up those carbs that u have ingested...

Wouldnt the carbs in the shake, peanut butter etc do that?

bro the carbs in peanut butter are so minimal and mostly fiber so no. essential in a bulking diet u are not gonna count minimal trace carbs but in a keto diet u need to keep your eye on carbs as they need to be bellow 40g a day....also i wouldnt have fats near your pre work out carbs and your post work out carbs. fats in the blood will be then stored in the muscle when insulin is spiked.

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Not your average squirrel! Thanks for the info!

Hi guys you all forgot about me what about my question on my diet. Any opinion on my diet or train of thought Dj would be great thanks a mil

Hello anybody out there is it just me or has this site has been very slow lately with people replying?

well by the looks of things your protein is too low,like i said get a food scale,use that to meausure out everything for a week,raw weight, your whey servings are too low, and u are having carbs in the wrong place, if u read this thread u will see where i said u should place your carbs etc...

Thanks dj so you say i must calculate my protein on the raw weight even though when i cook my chicken it weighs less? Thanks

yes,take a dry sponge,say it weights 25g,soak it in water and u will get a weight of about 135g,110g of that is moisture but it doesnt change that the sponge still weights 25g. squeeze out some water and u will get 65g,40g water 25g sponge. get what i am saying? the sponge is the protein content of your food,water and fluid may make it heavier before cooking,and when u cook it u will loose water weight but the protein content stays the same.

Ok i understand what you saying but if i weigh my chicken raw at 250g and calculate my protein on that as you have said some of that weight is water and water does not hold protein only the meat. So once i am done cooking the chicken it now weighs 180g would it not be wise to calculate the protein on that weight as it would be a more close estimate as there still would be a little water left in it just not as much. Also you said i am not getting enough protein what if i increase my serving size of chicken from 250g to 300g and have a serving and a half of whey budget is a bit tight so trying to make things last thanks dj

But I explained this to you the other day, you keep asking the same questions. The values given for chicken are given when the chicken is raw so if 100g chicken has 20-25g protein then that is how much the chicken has. I dont know why you dont understand this, forget about the water, that has been taken into consideration

Ok beesting i understand now did not know the water was taken into account already cool thanks

Im glad you understand it now