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01 Nov 2008 17:44 #7140 by Kobus
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I need some help on a decent diet plan. I am talking the whole 9 yards. I need to pick up muscle size. I also want to know what supplements can be taken with the the diet. At the moment my diet consist of a lot of chicken. My problem comes in with breakfasts & mid morning meals. Supplement wise, I am on whey protein from MuscleTech. Djeasey gave me the juice plan. I am traing morning & afternoons. Is it a must to take stuff like creatine when your diet plan, meal replacement, & jiuce are in line?

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01 Nov 2008 19:17 #7143 by Empire
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well here is when things come together,i am goingto say that whole food is your best option,stick to minimal shakes for optimum growth...you will need the following : good multivitamin, post work out drink(vitargo from juggernaut is the best option and staminade from muscle science works well as a substitute)creatine monohydrate and glutamine, and whey protein. those should be on your monthly shopping lists as far as supplements go. post work out you need to take something with a simple sugar base in order to get your body to give u an insulin spike in order to shuttle nutrients into your muscles. so bang your vitargo / staminade within 30mins of training,20mins later have 40 -60 grams whey protein. in your post work out drink throw in your creatine(if you are using vitargo then dont stress there is creatine in it) and with your whey throw in 10grams or so of your glutamine. this will all aid in your body's natural repair process after the trauma of training... your can have a serving of staminade with glutamine and creatine pre work out to give u a work out boost if u like but i would have that within 20mins of training.

food. this is where things get interesting,if you are bulking u could end up getting fat if your diet is not clean, if you are cutting u are going to battle to get lean if your diet is 100% clean! when i say clean i am talking junk food,chips,sweets,chocolate,all the goodies that are so good on the pallet and on the mind. give your self 2 cheat meals in a week to keep your self sane. keep them 72 hours apart from one another.

working out your calorie intake is the first thing you need to do. once u have read up on how to do this u will come up with your BMR(Basic metabolic rate)This equation is quite accurate for most, but is not a good choice for extremely fat or muscular people. It will overestimate calorie needs for fat people, and vice versa for muscular

Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 X wt in kg) + (5 X ht in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)
Women: BMR = 655 + (9.6 X wt in kg) + (1.8 X ht in cm) - (4.7 X age in years)

Calculating maintainence calories

Multiply your BMR by an appropriate activity factor

Sedentary = BMR X 1.2 (little or no exercise, desk job)
Lightly active = BMR X 1.375 (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk)
Mod. active = BMR X 1.55 (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk)
Very active = BMR X 1.725 (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/wk)
Extr. Active = BMR X 1.9

If you only exercise 3-4 days per week, but do weight training + full session of cardio, you would be in the 'very active' category.





BMR is the number of calories u need in order to maintain your body weight. once you have this figure u need to asses what u are looking to do. if you are looking to cut body fat then you subtract 500calories from that total. if you are trying to gain weight then u add 500 calories to that total. that is the amount of calories you will need in a day to either gain weight or loose weight depending on if you added or subtracted calories. then this is where things become interesting, you need to work out your macro nutrient ratios.

so for instance u are 100kg,180cm tall and 25 years in age and u work out 5 times a week for 1 hour each time u are going to need to take in 3374 calories to maintain body weight. you decide you want to put on some muscle so u add 500 calories to that so that makes it +/-3900calories per day. now you need to split that up into your macro nutrient ratios. i would go for either 40% protein,40% carbs and 20% fats. or 30%protein, 50% carbs and 20% fats. they both work well its just up to you on how much carbs and protein u would like to take in. so 3900 calories devided up in to macro nutrients should be 403grams of carbs, 241 grams protein and 73grams of fats. split up into 6 meals a day. so you need to get in 650calories per meal. 50% from carbs(325 calories/ 81grams) 30% protein (48grams of protein) and 20% fats (190cals/14.4 grams) this is all you need to take in with in 24 hours. in order to potentially grow. now if you start picking up fat quite fast then drop the calories by 200calories or up the intensity of your work outs to try and keep u lean.

now if you are taking in a post work out concoction your post work out shake should be on a 40/60split. if you are taking in 40grams of protein post work out u need to be taking in 60grams of fast acting carbs with that.. so 60grams whey protein and 70grams of staminade should do the trick. now those calories must be taken out of allotted calories in a day. so if you are taking in 3900 (403grams of carbs, 241 grams protein and 73grams of fats) subtract 60grams from your 403 carbs, and 40 grams from your protein and 4 grams from your fats (whey has minimal fat in it) and then divide your macro's into 6 meals a day. 343carbs,201 protein and 69grams of fats.

this is the best i can explain it,i hope that it is what u where looking for.

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02 Nov 2008 07:30 #7144 by Kobus
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Thanx again bro. I wonder how many actually know how to eat correctly. You have given me what I needed & more.

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04 Nov 2008 20:21 #7231 by Skyth
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Good old copy and paste hey DJ ;)

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04 Nov 2008 20:29 #7233 by Skyth
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Just jokes.
DJ is right, diet is key... only then once you have that in place would I suggest taking juice.
I mean you want to know what your body reacts well to... if it's a high crabs/ high protien diet!

If you taking the juice I think it will aid but you won't have a full understanding of your body. Well that's how I started... I mean if you already got the gear then I suppose you may as well take it :)

Good luck bro... keep us posted!

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19 Nov 2008 09:51 #7645 by Empire
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Skyth wrote:

Good old copy and paste hey DJ ;)


the only thing i copied and pasted u cheeky sod was the equasion...the rest took me ages to write..

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19 Nov 2008 11:30 #7655 by Skyth
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I know you punny... that's why I was joking! I could see it was personalised;)

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21 Nov 2008 09:30 #7700 by dirkgreeff
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@ dj, have you treid working out maintenance using the Katch McArdel formula?

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21 Nov 2008 09:32 #7701 by Empire
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yea,why do u ask dirk?

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25 Nov 2008 13:38 #7778 by Kobus
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How zit,

I just thought I come back to you. I used your info you gave me. works like a bomb. My body fat dropped like hell. I used the juice as djeasy told me to. I picked up from 75 kg to 83 kg, lean sollid muscle in 5 weeks. The lady in the house is docter, so her input on what food contains what, helped me as well.

Thanx for the help.

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25 Nov 2008 17:22 #7785 by Empire
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wow...good form...

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26 Nov 2008 08:14 #7792 by Skyth
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Why you so surprised DJ?
You know your feed back is always good and informative :)
and hey... it works as well ;)

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26 Nov 2008 08:25 #7797 by Empire
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thanks champ...its always nice to know how things work for people...i've learnt alot from a lot of people on the forum such as the posts from doctari,and i from a very good "g" friend...without his help i would still be in the ice age...

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26 Nov 2008 09:34 #7799 by dirkgreeff
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Hey Dj sorry for only replying now. Only reason was that the HB method does not compensate for bf%, whereas the CM method is based on LBM. As such, calcs come out lower as you strive to hit a taget LMB instead of an overall weight target. Just prefer the CM method thats why i asked.

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26 Nov 2008 11:18 #7805 by Empire
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yes agreed on u there....hows how milos recons u do things...u make adjustments based on how u feel... 2g of protein per pound of body weight.. so if u are 200pounds that mean 400g protien, = 1600cals. then u make your carb adjustments as to what u are doing...so it doesnt go on formulas... its worth looking into... i recon it could work. i mean obviously u consume carbs in the morning when u wake up and then if doing nothing,then u dont need carbs other then veg, then say pre work out u need energy so u take in carbs then to fuel you for your work out and then carbs to replenish glycogen post work out...the only problem i can see with that is u gotta make sure u train hard enough to use up all those carbs in order to depleat glycogen stores.. but hey lets see how it works... i mean that amount of protein u are sure as shit gonna have a enough amino's to grow and if u dont spill over on your carbs then u will not get fat... he recons two weeks to let your body respond to what u doing,so within two weeks u can see where u might need to put in more carbs etc... i guess its all about trial and error...not everyones formula works and not everyone is the same its all about making your adjustments according to your body..

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27 Nov 2008 16:50 #7861 by dirkgreeff
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Yea, recon it could work too and judjing by Milos' size it def is working for him so ...

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