interesting diet concept, feedback?

I got this idea on t-nation, the short version:

the guy basically says u feed yourself fats for your morning cardio, then u are in fat burning mode, then the fat runs out and your body continues functioning on body fat....

one of his answers:
"When I do it I use a teaspoon of olive oil and a stiff cup of green tea and coffee about a half hour before starting. Very light and quick acting. Any other thermogenic elixir I would think would be fine too.

Once you get that heart rate up there's a convenient supply of fuel sitting right there waiting to be used. Your body sets up to use it, uses it up and then finds an only slight less convenient supply sitting all over itself.

Another point worth mentioning is I have never had a problem with energy like this either. Especially after a few times of doing it. I feel like I could go on for quite a while"

Problems I see is that fat is slow to metabolise, so you have to exercise at a low intensity otherwise you will switch to catabolism?

Any ideas?

What's wrong with just doing cardio in a fasted state? Fats are very calorie dense it could take a while for your body to burn through all of them, the time you spend burning actual BF could be very short that's if you even get there at all.

Seems like yet another t-nation article trying to re-invent the wheel

Problems I see is that fat is slow to metabolise, so you have to exercise at a low intensity otherwise you will switch to catabolism?


This is only true if there is 0 carbohydrates in your diet,if you have carbs the day before there will still be glycogen in the muscles to burn and use as fuel.its only the case when there is no glucose in the system to be used for energy,as whay happens is the body will start to eat through muscle tissue to convert to convert to proteins and then through glucogensis covert the proteins into carbohydrates at half the rate,so for every 10g of proteins presnted to the body before glucogensis will only end up being 5g of carbohydrates... Personally I think if u are having carbs in the diet then u have nothing to worry about doing fasted cardio,I don't see why metabolising fats before wotk out is essential unless they are mct oils,but even then I would just go for carbs.

Sorry dude, but it's an extremely dumb concept. Everything else being equal, your body processes food in the order that you consume it. And consuming fat does not mean that your body stores it as fat, or relate it to fat around your mid-section.

thanks dj, was just thinking its an ineteresting approach. U havent said is it scientifically sound though? Can this work? you are saying that u will be in carb-burning mode no matter what you take pre workout? (except if on keto diet that is)

Eidolon, you missing my intention. Its not about storing the fat, its about kickstarting your body into processing fats, and then run out of fats consumed and start burning body fat as you are already in fat burn mode.

Say u consume a teaspoon of olive oil or handful of nuts an hour before your cardio/workout, you can work that through quick,now you just continue on slightly less convenient body fat.

From what I have seen being in a fat burning mode differs from individual to individual dependant on metabolism etc. If you are dieting for a while its almost like your body builds up speed in the way it metabolises stored fat, like a steam train, it takes time to build up speed, but once there takes a while to slow it down.
Given that this approach seems to risky to try, maybe you should give it a try and let us know how it goes.

m0lt3n wrote: Eidolon, you missing my intention. Its not about storing the fat, its about kickstarting your body into processing fats, and then run out of fats consumed and start burning body fat as you are already in fat burn mode.

Say u consume a teaspoon of olive oil or handful of nuts an hour before your cardio/workout, you can work that through quick,now you just continue on slightly less convenient body fat.

I'm not missing the point. When you eat 'fat', it it processed by your body, and broken down into nutrients, just like every other food source. There is no symbolic link between consuming fatty foods and fat stores around your waist, though. If you eat large amounts of protein, the excess is also stored as fat.

Your body will not ignore readily available carbs and protein in your blood stream to somehow target fat storage instead. Digestive enzymes process what you eat, but your muscles use what has already available in the system, and then targets fat stores. That's the basis of any diet, but the dude's theory you posted seem to ignore all logic.

You asked for feedback, right? I'm not trying to be a wise-ass, but it sounds like nonsense to me :S

nah thank you eidolon, you actually gave me a straight answer there.
The body will go for the available carbs rather than stored fat.
have some Karma

I kinda agree with eidolon on this and also DJ.
The guy is talking asif fat is fat then ur body just burns the fat continuesly...this is dumb.lol
Dont work like that. U need to do the low intensity cardio when on fats but then u need to be in keto already.

Regards

m0lt3n wrote: nah thank you eidolon, you actually gave me a straight answer there.
The body will go for the available carbs rather than stored fat.
have some Karma

Thanks man. I didn't concentrate much in biology, but technically I don't think your body actually goes for any specific source of nutrients. Carbs, sugar, protein, fat, vitamins and fibre are all digested in different ways, but all you do when you diet is focus on foods that are higher in specific nutrients than others, depending on your needs. Even chicken breasts has fat in them just like olive oil also contains protein.

Sugar is digested almost instantly through the intestine into your blood, while the breakdown of protein into amino acids take quite a bit longer. I hope you see where I'm going with this, and why we eat certain things before training, and others immediately afterwards. Fat, in itself, is a great source of energy, but I don't think a tub of lard is going to be such a big hit as whey shakes or dextrose, for instance.

Yap I get all that. Was just sorting the other idea out in this concept.
Getting smarter bit y bit.
What DJ said about 10g = 5g carbs if you are in surplus was new here for me. good facts.

would like to know, 1 amino stack pill (basic supplements) = ?? g of protein?