Pre comp "hardness"

Hey Guys
What would you suggest re diet / supplements / gear / water etc in the last week pre comp to ensure extreme hardness? Hav a friend that looked awesum and very hard 4 whole week and sumhow suddenly came y/day morning ai WP IFBB it was just "gone". Did NOTHING different re eating and water depletion was as planned but he deff "got softer" in the last 24hrs. Any sugg or ideas for his next comp to ensure EXTREME hardness? Thx

I'm not an expert when it comes to contest prep, but it would help if you provided the guys stats, diet, gear he was running and what sort water dropping method he was using for the guys with experience in this to comment on.

This can happen when to many carbs are consumed,also did he use any diuretics? Also to much sodium can do that,incorrect ester procedures etc when it comes to gear. His last week is very important and few people get it right first time

No mayor cycle b4 but stayed on winny inject, clen inject and proviron tabs to work 2wards SA's 2 weeks later. No Diuretics. Diet did not change from previous comps but for the fact that he normally only have a carb-up meal on fri b4 comp - this time had a carb up meal on thurs as well. Thursday meal - chickbreast, potato, s/potato, veg, br rice - not big portions. Friday meal - steak, avo, ovenbake chips, lettuce. No salt or sauces on both meals. VERY small nibbles of p/butter and oats thru fri nite. Water intake per day was: 6L,6L,6L,4L,3L,2L,1L,3/4L,1/5L,Stage. Sipped on OB's backstage for vascularity.
Any commnts / suggestions DJ? Any product/ideas that will "suck" the water out and ensure EXTREME hardness on stage in 2 weeks time? (8-10Sept 2011) (IFBB SA's)

Would really appreciate some help guys as thers only a few days left to do and prep for the show.

Thx

Hennie wrote: No mayor cycle b4 but stayed on winny inject, clen inject and proviron tabs to work 2wards SA's 2 weeks later. No Diuretics. Diet did not change from previous comps but for the fact that he normally only have a carb-up meal on fri b4 comp - this time had a carb up meal on thurs as well. Thursday meal - chickbreast, potato, s/potato, veg, br rice - not big portions. Friday meal - steak, avo, ovenbake chips, lettuce. No salt or sauces on both meals. VERY small nibbles of p/butter and oats thru fri nite. Water intake per day was: 6L,6L,6L,4L,3L,2L,1L,3/4L,1/5L,Stage. Sipped on OB's backstage for vascularity.
Any commnts / suggestions DJ? Any product/ideas that will "suck" the water out and ensure EXTREME hardness on stage in 2 weeks time? (8-10Sept 2011) (IFBB SA's)

Would really appreciate some help guys as thers only a few days left to do and prep for the show.

Thx

Hennie, Precontest is touch and go, at this stage he need someone to walk him through it daily, changes will even be hourly on the last day, I suggest he get hold of DJ.
It seems to me he used to many simnple carbs to soon, and spilled over.

Thx Koe, i know he would love to work with DJ but cash is an issue at the moment and therefor my request for some ideas/suggestions to help him a bit. He was told this am to completely cut out carbs for the next 5 days. DJ ???? ANY advice will be appreciated! Thx

See the thing is u need to use your current diet to base your decarb and carb up on...steak avo and oven bake chips is laden with fats and that could've thrown him off dependant on his previous weeks diet.if he was smooth then he has probably over carbed during the week,that's all I can see without knowing his whole doet and having worked with him

His diet was 4-5 meals thru the day of oliveoil stir "fried" chickbreast 500g, sweetpotato 350g, broccoli 150g with a bit of cayenne and fresh chillies for flavour PLUS 4-6 boiled eggwites (during am), 70g oats 4 b/fast, and small steak, avo, lettucce for supper. plus 3L of water during the day. Thats whats so "confusing" cos he ate nothing mayor different in the last 48-72hrs except for the chips that hes dun b4 all prev comps to gr8 affect. What would you "generally" suggest to avoid in that last 2 days? Or is there anything else he can use to assist with the "dry-out", Diaretics? When? Nite b4 and or am b4 show - heard if dun wrong it can make u "flat" ? And Carb down, for how many days and when? Carb up starting when and what would be the "ideal" carbs to use? Thx.

Dont get "confused" with the grams of food - hes not a heavyweight at all!! "small, well built and in bloody good shape"

bud,everyone is different, koe we used diuretics further out than most,this time we will only use 1 or 2 just to get him dry... please do not use mxit speak aka gr8! decarb and carb up is usually 4-5days decarb,2-3 carb up depends on who it is...u are asking for all the right answers when they could all be the wrong ones..get him to email me with pics so i can see what happened..

Egg whites should be dropped they hold sodium, avo dropped, he should use a potassium sparing diuretic like Aldactone.

Koe & DJ what other diuretics did you use before the last show?

Hi I'm sure Dj would not like me sharing his secrets, he does not use diuretics as much as carb manipulation, sodium loading etc the last week is daily changes depending on my response to the methods he uses.

We just used dandelion root and aldactone,I personally am not the biggest of the biggest fan of aldactone but it does work...my personal favourite is dihydraclorathyazide.

DJ wrote: . . . . u are asking for all the right answers when they could all be the wrong ones..get him to email me with pics so i can see what happened..

Thx 4 all the help DJ, hes not to keen with the photo idea ( "incase some-one recognise him, bla bla bla" ) Just gonna deplete the carbs bigtime, lose the winny and proviron a few days out and have his "normal" one carb-up meal the day before with a diaretic or 2 - for his sake i hope it works cos i have no idea of a product that mite do the trick. Anyawy thx for ur input, maybe next time he CAN actually do the whole process with / thru you. thank goodness i dont have any desire to compete.

I'd leave winny and proviron it does not hold. Water

Thx Koe, hope he pulls it off next time

I think depleting him now isn't a good idea,if he emails me I keep mt clients identities secret at lesst I can see where he has gone wrong.also the clenbuterol could've affected him

Thx DJ, will hav a chat 2 him and see what hes up 2, all i know is that his very p-d off that he made a mistake and went on to soft etc etc. He just wants a "fix" to get EXTREMELY dry and hard before the next show. Anyway, Thx