Ketogenic diet

Empire
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21 Feb 2012 22:10 #93981 by Empire

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Whey and peanut butter,or chicken and nuts,or steak and eggs.

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Koe007
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22 Feb 2012 07:28 #93992 by Koe007

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Probably Whey Isolate and Fish with Lettuce

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IronHeart
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22 Feb 2012 08:09 #93996 by IronHeart

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Wont you struggle to recover?

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22 Feb 2012 08:20 #93998 by Empire

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Not really,I have done keto diets before and I have never been stronger,most of my best lifts have been on a keto,including a 200kg deadlift for 7 reps...

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MCJ
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22 Feb 2012 08:25 #94001 by MCJ

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No u don't struggle to recover at all. The fats from the nuts or peanutbutter or red meat provides the energy u need to train and recover. But more importantly ur body uses its own fat stores for energy and this aids in the recovery process. This is also why a carb up meal is needed weekly to replenish glycogen levels.

A post workout with carbs (frucose, dextrose etc) will bring u out of ketosis immediately. I was very sceptical at first about this but must say it really works. I have lost no strength, in fact I'm still getting stronger. My workouts take the same time to complete, sometimes a little faster. And recovery is very good between sets. Also post workout my body isn't any more sore than it usually would be.

DJ teaching me a loads of new stuff I never knew

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IronHeart
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22 Feb 2012 09:19 #94007 by IronHeart

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That's very interesting!
And your weekend carb up would be on Sundays and about 3 carb meals?

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MCJ
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22 Feb 2012 09:28 #94008 by MCJ

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Depends on what keto diet ur following. I believe there are 3 variations. I'm on a DJ diet. Involves 1 carb up meal preferably on a leg or back day. Don't want to give specifics as like I said its DJ's diet and as they say in afrikaans "mens ploeg nie met n ander man se osse ni". Lol.

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IronHeart
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22 Feb 2012 09:51 #94016 by IronHeart

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Haha! maak sin.
I know of a 3 meal carb up on Sunday's where you eat basically protein carbs and are allowed a bit of honey!

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22 Feb 2012 10:06 #94029 by Empire

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its all different person to person, if they have higer body fat levels rather stick to 1 carb up meal limiting fats,protein and fiber and having high carbs in that meal, dont go over 200g of carbs untill the body fat level is beloow 12% and then u can increase the carb ups.

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IronHeart
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22 Feb 2012 10:41 #94046 by IronHeart

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Make's sense the harder you work in the beginning the better the diet gets.
Since I have your attention DJ do you have any tips on post-cycle depression?

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Empire
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22 Feb 2012 10:48 #94051 by Empire

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get your bloods checked and see if your test levels are back to normal, low test can be the killer.

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IronHeart
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22 Feb 2012 11:04 #94059 by IronHeart

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And while your waiting for esters to clear?

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Koe007
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22 Feb 2012 11:17 #94061 by Koe007

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The punisher wrote: Make's sense the harder you work in the beginning the better the diet gets.
Since I have your attention DJ do you have any tips on post-cycle depression?

Pump mentioned 5-HTP it works well, I also use M-Stack by Universal.

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IronHeart
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22 Feb 2012 11:35 #94065 by IronHeart

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Cool I will give it a shot thanks guys.

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Juice
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22 Feb 2012 11:37 - 22 Feb 2012 12:05 #94066 by Juice

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Koe007 wrote: Pump mentioned 5-HTP it works well, I also use M-Stack by Universal.

Isn't M-Stack loaded with stims?

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Koe007
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22 Feb 2012 11:58 #94074 by Koe007

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There is a red pill you can remove which has some stims, but its not that strong.

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Empire
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22 Feb 2012 12:18 #94079 by Empire

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use some proviron and some ovirdrel and some winstrol,are u in the bridge part of the cycle?

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IronHeart
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22 Feb 2012 12:21 #94080 by IronHeart

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Jip it's almost time for the pct.

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Inja
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22 Feb 2012 14:26 #94110 by Inja

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I used to buy the newest trendiest expensive supplements while waiting and post cycle and lie to myself that they were helping me recover and even grow :silly: Never really worked very well...

Now I use dedication and a trained mind set to stay focused post cycle.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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regz
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26 Mar 2012 18:00 #98398 by regz

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GregB1 wrote: 5 Days into the ketogenic diet and i have lost 4kg. Do you guys think im loosing fat and muscle or is that just the diet and cardio working well.

Greg how you doing 2 weeks in so far?

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26 Mar 2012 18:48 #98399 by ice-rip

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If you train first thing in the morning, can one have 50grams oats which is just 26g carbs to fuel workout and then another 50grams oats post workout. Would that take u out of ketosis and into a low carb diet.

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26 Mar 2012 18:51 #98400 by ice-rip

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If I'm around 25 to 30% bodyfat and I need 2500 calories a day to cut. What sort of macro split would I use on keto. Can one bulk on keto and would it be effective

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Empire
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26 Mar 2012 18:53 #98401 by Empire

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ice-rip wrote: If you train first thing in the morning, can one have 50grams oats which is just 26g carbs to fuel workout and then another 50grams oats post workout. Would that take u out of ketosis and into a low carb diet.

yes it would. if you are gonna use carbs in a keto diet,its only before a HITT cardio session,thats it.

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26 Mar 2012 18:55 #98402 by Empire

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ice-rip wrote: If I'm around 25 to 30% bodyfat and I need 2500 calories a day to cut. What sort of macro split would I use on keto. Can one bulk on keto and would it be effective

40% protein,60% fat. no you cannot bulk on keto as you need carbs for maximum muscle contraction. some people can put on a kg or 2 during a ketogenic cutting phaze but its pointless to use it to bulk as carbs will fuel and replenish muscle glycogen. so if you are cutting keto diet,if you are bulking u need carbs,

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26 Mar 2012 19:58 #98409 by ice-rip

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So assuming one needs 120grams of fat ed can they just do 20 grams over 6 meals even the pre and post workout meals too

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