Covid Vaccine and Gear

Hi... I'm due to start a cycle soon and also due for covid vaccine around the same time. I know there are no tests done yet re possible issues around this so no science to add to the conversation. I'm not into conspiracy theory stuff and am not against getting the jab... but I can't help wonder how the tren, test and anavar might respond. Thoughts?

Don't do them together....out of caution.

As a precautionary measure, I would hold off on the cycle if I were you.

I highly doubt that anyone will be able to give you a solid answer other than anecdotal feedback, which is highly individual and would be too subjective anyway.

Anyone thinking of getting the vaccine done while being on prep / AAS in general? In particular I'm worried it may interfere with my contest prep as I'm 4 weeks out from kzns. Yes, the IFBB pro's are getting the vaccine to travel country to country so that they can compete,but that would just be basing my decision on getting the vaccine by looking at other guys and not a scientific given fact that this vaccine won't mess me up internally combined with the AAS and fat burning stimulants

I had the J&J in March when I started a cycle. You will still build an adequate immune response to the vaccine. If you get ill after the jab, it usually lasts a day or two and can be prevented by taking panado at 1g 3 times a day.

Gee wrote: Hi... I'm due to start a cycle soon and also due for covid vaccine around the same time. I know there are no tests done yet re possible issues around this so no science to add to the conversation. I'm not into conspiracy theory stuff and am not against getting the jab... but I can't help wonder how the tren, test and anavar might respond. Thoughts?

It would be more dangerous to get COVID itself whilst on those compounds. It drastically impacts the kidneys, U&Es are always skewed in our COVID patients. The addition of nephrotoxic agents on top of already weakend kidneys would put you at risk of ARF.

I have no scientific proof, but felt nothing after taking Pfizer while on Test and EQ. Don't think you going to be able to get the scientific answer due to that data not being available, but LezDr pretty much summed it up.

I had no plans on taking this vaccine. I was pretty adamant that I wouldn't. But this delta variant is way worse in younger people than the previous strains, and I am planning on doing some tren soon.

Only now am I seeing people I know in their 20's and 30's in good shape, with no health issues get very sick from what would have been just bad case of flu at worst with the previous variants.

jooceboi456 wrote: Anyone thinking of getting the vaccine done while being on prep / AAS in general? In particular I'm worried it may interfere with my contest prep as I'm 4 weeks out from kzns. Yes, the IFBB pro's are getting the vaccine to travel country to country so that they can compete,but that would just be basing my decision on getting the vaccine by looking at other guys and not a scientific given fact that this vaccine won't mess me up internally combined with the AAS and fat burning stimulants

Download the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) data for the US here: vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Read the following on how to interpret the data: vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

Go through the data and decide for yourself, nobody on this site is qualified to give you reliable answers to your questions. All you'll get from members on this site is opinions and feelings influenced by propaganda and fear campaigns designed to scare/persuade/force people into taking experimental vaccines.

In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease. Natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

PDF:
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

In response to your Previous Post on Adverse Events. These are not reported as incidence rates.

Let’s have a chat about the incidence rate of severe adverse events (SAEs) associated with COVID-19 vaccination.
Side effects like headache/chills/fever/pains/bruising/etc, are not regarded as SAEs. SAEs are life threatening complications as a result of the vaccine. Most of the time, they’re due to allergy to an ingredient in the vaccine. Here are the ingedients
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There’s no such thing as a medication with no side effects or one that's 100% effective, but we don’t have people hesitant to take a painkiller for a headache or psychiatric medication for depression etc. Why is it different with these vaccines?
Choosing not to use the vaccine based on the the link you provided to adverse effects, is similar to choosing to run a certain AAS based on a compound experience reddit thread instead of peer reviewed biostats.

These are not experimental vaccines:
Yes, it’s true that the Pfizer and Moderna are the first mRNA vaccines to be licensed, but that does not mean we haven’t researched them for ages. Part of the reason we were able to produce them so quickly is because we have been investigating this concept for a number of years.
The J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines are viral vector vaccines, which are not new. This design was also employed for the 2018 Ebola vaccine (which was also developed in record time at just over a year, yet no one complained about that.)
Furthermore, very efficient, stringent, and diligent clinical trials were conducted to ensure we obtained reliable and powerful statistics to show that the vaccines are effective and safe. There were over 40 000 included in the trial in South Africa Alone.

“More people need to have it before I’m happy to get it”
Here’s something I hear a lot: “I do want to be vaccinated but I want more people to get it first.” I understand why people may be hesitant, but let me try and put your mind at ease.
To date, 32.5% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, and 24.5% are fully vaccinated.
4.97 billion doses have been administered globally, and 34.91 million are now administered each day. That is a LOT of people and a LOT of vaccines. Meticulous records have been kept regarding SAEs. Multiple studies of the global data have shown the rate of SAEs to be at or less than 0.5%.
Anaphylaxis (severe allergic reaction) has been found to occur in roughly 2-5 people per million vaccinated, and the blood clotting side effect of the J&J vaccine was found to happen in 2-3 people per million vaccinated.
With these statistics, if you’ve ever trusted a condom, then there’s no reason not to trust the vaccine.

The article you just shared is not peer reviewed. Peer reviewed data is necessary before one can make any finite decision.
Furthermore, it is a retrospective cohort. They had to look back in the system for the patients who had COVID. They also look at symptoms, again this is a terrible design. Symptoms are subjective and are as useful as a patient telling you they feel they have high blood pressure and not measuring it for yourself as the doctor. We need objective measures, CRP, ESR, WBC and actual signs (the objective doctor reports) to asses the severity.
I'd also be curious to see how people who weren't vaccinated and didn't have previous would perform. All you'll have to do is look at peer reviewed papers before the intervention of vaccines to see how poorly they would have performed.

Whilst they started with a large sample size, those actually meeting the inclusion criteria (having COVID), was incredibly small (between 100 to 200 in the different models) that's why there is no suprise that 27 fold was reported (good on you for looking for the largest data difference by the way).

Does everyone want to know what these symptoms that are more likely to occur to you are?
chiefly fever, cough, breathing difficulties (what the hell does this actually mean? were there Sats low? Did they have a high respiratory rate), diarrhea, loss of taste or smell, myalgia,
weakness, headache and sore throat. These are not likely to kill. Symptoms rarely kill, signs do.

Deaths? Well there were none. SO GET VACCINATED
That's what we are trying to prevent! We are trying to help people and it is assumed that we (Health Care Workers) are being controlled by Big Pharma.

It doesn't matter if you still get symptoms after the vaccine. Rather don't play with the Odds. Symptoms are mild and unlikely to kill you.

If you are trying to suggest that you should rather get COVID and then you'll have better immunity, This is poor advice. You don't know how COVID will treat you until you get it and if I were you, I'd rather be safe. I think we'd all agree that the Immunity from real COVID is probably better but that's the point of the Vaccine, it's not meant to be identical to COVID, it's meant to ensure enough immunity so that you are not greatly burdened by the disease.

The linked article is flawed.

Listen to experts.

My 2c... 2 people in my wife's class at her martial arts academy have ended up in hospital in hospital in the last month from this Delta varient. These are in shape, super fit, guys without known co-morbidities. The one guy had to go to the ER last night. The other guy is 24 and spent a week in hospital.

I am very much aware of what the powers at be are doing, exploiting this virus to further their political agendas, and the potential threat to democracy and freedom, and that the coming digital vaccine passports are a part of that. I was very against vaccinating myself until recently. I am still undecided. The fact is that as this virus has mutated it has become more dangerous for younger people. It is not just a bad cold anymore for guys like me in great shape at 40 odd.

The adverse effects and potential longterm damage from covid-19 outweighs the risks (of which there most definitely are) of the Pfizer and J&J vaccines that we have as our options.

The risk of myocarditis and blood clotting is real with the vaccine, but miniscule. Like 50 per million for myocarditis and less with the clotting. But the risk of these same adverse effects are MUCH higher if you get the virus and are not vaccinated.

As a father it's not just about me, so I will think long and hard about it this week.

Very controversial topic, I've lost someone in my family from it and I've had my brother who's resting heart rate in the 40s jump up to 90, that is over double, that shows how strenuous it can be on the body. I have had other family members who are fine, one being my father in law, he got covid after taking the vaccine, he has scared lungs and it was our biggest red flag in the family, he was ok, it wasn't a walk in the park but I am certain without the vaccine he was dead based upon his current health condition and how he responds to the yearly colds he gets.

I now have a member who had it in his 50s, big strong guy, he got out of hospital 3 weeks ago, but they have been unable to get his heart rate under 100, he is back in hospital since Sunday in a private hospital with top paying specialists working on him. His heart rate has been 140 while in hospital, after days they suspect it's a clot 'somewhere' in the body due to ruling out as many things as they can, so scans and every possible test. On Sunday they tested him for Covid again when he got to the hospital as protocol, it was negative, the Dr who ran out of ideas decided to test him again today, as his heart is giving up and he is positive again. We don't believe he is going to make it, like I said fit strong guy, he was anti this process and decided he won't vaccinate, now he is dying, his 'partner', our blood was our responsibility because they shared the same idea and got infected at the same time, she was not on medical aid so we had to pay for everything as she was heading south fast we even had to pay for an oxygen tank for home, it's because of her unwillingness that she caused a number of family members to worry about losing a sister due to the level in which she was infected and others to be out of pocket to help treat her in a private practice. Not one person I personally know who has taken the vaccine has had a single issue bar a bit of pain in the shoulder which is expected.

I have a friend who is a nurse in a covid ward, it isn't pretty the stories you hear and she used to be in cardiac so death isn't something she wasn't used to, but this has been an eye opener.

I was very much against this whole thing, but when it hits home and you see your family broken because of what its doing you have no choice but to vaccinate, even if it isn't for yourself and you think you will be ok, will the person who you give it to be as lucky.

@LesDoctor, you make some noteworthy criticisms. There's some points I want to look into first before I comment on them, but here's a few subjective comments I can respond to now.

LesDoctor wrote: Choosing not to use the vaccine based on the the link you provided to adverse effects, is similar to choosing to run a certain AAS based on a compound experience reddit thread instead of peer reviewed biostats.

That's exactly what we do here on this forum.

LesDoctor wrote: Why is it different with these vaccines?

Other than the more serious political/ideological concerns I have my main criticism towards the Covid vaccine is the rapid rollout to people that have very little risk from Covid in the first place. Why the urgency to vaccinate healthy people for a disease with an infection fatality rate of 0.23% (0.05% for under 70's - PMID: 33716331), with a vaccine that may not even work, but comes with its own set of side-effects to deal with?

LesDoctor wrote: This design was also employed for the 2018 Ebola vaccine (which was also developed in record time at just over a year, yet no one complained about that.)

Perhaps because Ebola is far more lethal than Covid should you get infected, so the benefits might have outweighed the risks?

LesDoctor wrote: Anaphylaxis (severe allergic reaction) has been found to occur in roughly 2-5 people per million vaccinated, and the blood clotting side effect of the J&J vaccine was found to happen in 2-3 people per million vaccinated.

Where can I get these stats?

LesDoctor wrote: The article you just shared is not peer reviewed. Peer reviewed data is necessary before one can make any finite decision.

Peer-reviewed just means everyone thought the same and therefor approved it. Not saying your other criticisms regarding the linked article are invalid because of this, but this statement you make is deeply flawed as well. I'm well aware that it is common practise in science to reject anything not peer-reviewed, but that makes new advances much less likely to take place because others have not yet thought of that and therefor less likely to agree and approve it.

LesDoctor wrote: We are trying to help people and it is assumed that we (Health Care Workers) are being controlled by Big Pharma.

In my experience doctors and pharmacists are also divided in their opinions, those that are critical of vaccines and Covid in general are just less likely to speak openly about it out of fear for persecution. My experience with nursing staff is that they are less likely to be critical of the common narrative, but I have a psychological theory around that which I might share some other time.

LesDoctor wrote: If you are trying to suggest that you should rather get COVID and then you'll have better immunity, This is poor advice.

No, I'm saying others should make an informed decision and decide what's best for them. As far as I'm concerned, I'll take my chances with Covid as I trust nature and natural immunity far more than a manmade vaccine. It's rather narcissistic to think man can always improve on what nature has given us over millennia when we hardly understand how our immune system works. In many cases we have made health improvements with medicine, but abuse of those same medications and exploitation of the health system for profit has caused much destruction as well. The hastiness and forcefulness of this vaccine rollout is a recipe for trouble.

LesDoctor wrote: You don't know how COVID will treat you until you get it and if I were you, I'd rather be safe.

That's how I feel about the Covid vaccines.

LesDoctor wrote: The linked article is flawed.

Maybe, time will tell.

LesDoctor wrote: Listen to experts.

I already do.

Muscleaddict wrote: My 2c... 2 people in my wife's class at her martial arts academy have ended up in hospital in hospital in the last month from this Delta varient. These are in shape, super fit, guys without known co-morbidities. The one guy had to go to the ER last night. The other guy is 24 and spent a week in hospital.

I am very much aware of what the powers at be are doing, exploiting this virus to further their political agendas, and the potential threat to democracy and freedom, and that the coming digital vaccine passports are a part of that. I was very against vaccinating myself until recently. I am still undecided. The fact is that as this virus has mutated it has become more dangerous for younger people. It is not just a bad cold anymore for guys like me in great shape at 40 odd.

The adverse effects and potential longterm damage from covid-19 outweighs the risks (of which there most definitely are) of the Pfizer and J&J vaccines that we have as our options.

The risk of myocarditis and blood clotting is real with the vaccine, but miniscule. Like 50 per million for myocarditis and less with the clotting. But the risk of these same adverse effects are MUCH higher if you get the virus and are not vaccinated.

As a father it's not just about me, so I will think long and hard about it this week.

This is exactly the thinking process I think everyone should go through before they decide what’s best for them.

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LesDoctor wrote: Anaphylaxis (severe allergic reaction) has been found to occur in roughly 2-5 people per million vaccinated, and the blood clotting side effect of the J&J vaccine was found to happen in 2-3 people per million vaccinated.

Where can I get these stats?

This was concerning to me but it seems to be very rare. This is for the Pfizer vax:

" Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System detected 21 cases of anaphylaxis after administration of a reported 1,893,360 first doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (11.1 cases per million doses); 71% of these occurred within 15 minutes of vaccination."

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7002e1.htm

For cerebral blood clots, the risk is 10 times higher from covid-19 if you are not vaccinated. From a peer reviewed medical journal TheBMJ:

"In the 513 284 patients with a covid-19 diagnosis the incidence of cerebral venous thrombosis was 39.0 per million people (95% confidence interval 25.2 to 60.2 million), and in the 489 871 patients who had received covid-19 vaccination the incidence was 4.1 per million (1.1 to 14.9 million) (adjusted relative risk 6.36, P<0.001). Vaccinated patients received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one or Moderna’s"

www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

Think I’ll continue to watch from a safe distance what happens with these vaccines. I’m in no rush to fall in line for my shot, just to regret it later.

Dr. Peter McCullough:
odysee.com/@jermwarfare:2/Peter-mccullough:f

No jabbing for me thx.

The wheels have been falling off the vax-wagon for some time now as I predicted, but I wasn't going to say anything because it upsets people for some reason. However this video is hilarious so let me share it for entertainment purposes:



Also rather ironic that people consider "pharma-grade" as safe, when in reality underground labs that operate out of a kitchen likely take far more care to ensure the safety of their clients.

Never forget those who coerced, mandated and fooled you or your friends and family to get this "treatment"... I won't.

Died-suddenly documentary:
rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html

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