About me

Hello all. I am 98kg with about 20% body fat. Lean muscle mass at around 80 kg.
I am 33 years old and have been training again for the last four months. My goal at the moment, before I bulk up, is to get my body fat down to 10%, as bulking now would just make me to fat.

I recently stopped doing Karate as it is impossible to get to classes at six with my new job, thus, happily I am training weights again. I used steroids a bit more than 10 years ago, I cannot remember the name, but it was an oil based testosterone and I got big and strong quickly, the only problem was water retention. I never stacked any steroids and this is all I used, but my gains where impressive.

I am not claiming to be Pierre Spies, but my genetics seems to be good, although I was a slender guy leaving school at 80 kg, four years of hard gym work got me to a level, even not training for years and years, that my lean muscle mass is about the same as my high school weight.

My goal now is to lose eight kilo's of fat, to weigh 90 kg, before trying to put on some more muscle. I however want to retain as much muscle as possible. My eating habits are good and I keep learning. Although I am cutting I am on a strength training routine, as it is what I love. I deadlift, I squat, I bench, I do underhand chin ups, wide grip chin ups, weighted dips, cable rows, upright rows. In case you where thinking that I do no vanity exercises you would be wrong as I do barbell curls. I enjoy exercises that employ lots of muscle.

I am experienced enough to know that I dont know much. I would like to know what anabolic, like Stanozolol, would be best for my aims as I have never cut before. In my early twenties a pound gained, being a skinny guy to start with, was a pound gained. I written much, hope it is all good.

Well your a fast learner (found the forum rules very quickly) and you seem very keen to learn. So that's good
I like the way you train! Compound movements for strenght, always served me well! But I throw in a few more isolations here and there (maybe I'm to vain :blush: )

Best advice is to punch the weight loss hard. I know its tempting to use an anabolic to retain mass but I really doubt that with good diet you will loose much of your muscle. If you start to struggle with getting the last kilos off look at adding in a fat burner. Try OTC then UG stuff.

Your first cycle will be testosterone only (~500mg a week), though I don't mind if you want to add an oral kickstart. Since you really complain about the water you put on on your last cycle (probably depotrone at 200mg-400mg a week) you may look at getting an aromatase inhibitor (A.I.) to run on course with it.

Don't forget to learn about PCT. This is the key to any good cycle! Here is a good link to boost your learning:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/11-gene...q-section-help#19015

Oh yeah, and welcome

Welcome Johannes

Yes thanks for the advice, attacking the fat is exactly what I must do. I have made that mistake of being in two minds, trying to gain muscle and still losing fat and we know that that does not really work. And yes Depotrone, that was it. It was a glass vile and one had to break the top off. Am I correct?

I have been training in general but the 12 week cutting cycle has began in earnest. You suggested otc, did you imply fat burners and if you did, which one. I think I will leave ug for the last 4 weeks only. You suggested testosterone, which one?

I worked night shift and my girl friend is coming from England tomorrow, so I wont check responses for a while, but await them eagerly.

Thanks.

Johannes wrote:

Yes thanks for the advice, attacking the fat is exactly what I must do. I have made that mistake of being in two minds, trying to gain muscle and still losing fat and we know that that does not really work. And yes Depotrone, that was it. It was a glass vile and one had to break the top off. Am I correct?

Sounds like the one, little brown amps in a white box with a pink and grey stripe across it. www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/gallery?page=...PageNo=1&key=1&hit=1 , that was awesome stuff, just doses low. The oil had a distinct smell, that should jog your memory. How many amps were you injecting a week? Do you remember how many weeks you were on it for?

I have been training in general but the 12 week cutting cycle has began in earnest. You suggested otc, did you imply fat burners and if you did, which one. I think I will leave ug for the last 4 weeks only. You suggested testosterone, which one?

I don't really know what the top OTC fat burners are at the moment. They all work quite well on me because I'm sensitive to them. Anyone have any suggestions?
If the OTC supps are still working after 8 weeeks, there is no need to sqitch to UG stuff.

AS for your first cycle test Either Cypionate (same product in depotrone) enanthate, or an ester mix like sustanon or the PGW's new supertest will be ideal. Once to twice a week injections for 12 weeks or so.

I worked night shift and my girl friend is coming from England tomorrow, so I wont check responses for a while, but await them eagerly.

Eish, nightshift, proper sleeping patterns are important to proper health and achieving your goals. But good luck with the lady person! Give her a uh... warm welcome

:blush:

Firstly night shift is part of my job. I do however have a good as possible sleeping arrangement. My room is dark, the air-con makes it cool and the ear plugs does the rest. I sleep for eight hours straight. I wake up refreshed and happy as a drunk in a bottle store. I also only work night shift once or twice a week.

Yes, yes! I followed the link and that was it. Depotrone. Exactly! I really did not take much, the most being two vials a week, I think four ml. I was told that it was not much but I got really, really fantastic results. My strength jumped through the roof and I really gained some very satisfying muscle. Also I only did an eight week course at a time. Multiply that with only two courses a year or three courses a year. I was a student at the time and obviously my parents money only went that far.

I always kept about 65% of my strength gains and about the same for bulk. Is this normal? Or possible as I could remember it wrong.

As for what you said regarding not using UG if I am not losing muscle, you are right. Although I would love to try some of the "new" stuff out, I am 10 years older, thus about 1% wiser. :laugh: I think the best time would be to try some UG, beginning April, when I have reached my body fat targets.

Looks like I wont be so cut here as there is an internet connection.

Again Inja I thank you for your advice and time.

Yeah bro depotrone was great! I remember the mass from the early cycle on like 200mg a week. It's not uncommon to gain insane & retain on that first cycle (Yes, the rhyme was both ultra cool and intentional, what can I say ).
So they were 100mg/mL therfor you did up to 400mg a week of testosterone cypionate. Depending on how much of a skinny ass you end up after you shave of the bf you can go for another cycle in a similar dosage range (300-500mg a week of any of the above tests). All first cycle advice pretty much applies, so take in everything you've read on the forum.

Okay so one thing bothers me about my routine. I am Squatting and Dead-lifting twice a week. I am doing a routine that is pretty much remnant from the sport I stopped earlier this year. The routine is a compromise between Power and explosiveness. I adjusted the routine though because organised sport does not form part of my routine anymore.

It is a split routine where I do the whole body in two days. So on Monday I Squat and on Tuesday I dead-lift. Wednesday I am off. On Thursday and Friday the same applies as Monday and Tuesday.

Can my body handle this? I am not on any juice, but I do use a protein and carbo supplement, my omega three's, creatine (mono) and a healthy eating plan. Seven and a half kilo's left before target weight and body fat goals.

Something tells me this routine would serve me better in April when I am trying to gain 5 kilo's of muscle on Testosterone, although I really dont want to get too weak right now.

Lastly I feel fine, but that can be deceiving.

Johannes wrote:

Okay so one thing bothers me about my routine. I am Squatting and Dead-lifting twice a week.
It is a split routine where I do the whole body in two days. So on Monday I Squat and on Tuesday I dead-lift. Wednesday I am off. On Thursday and Friday the same applies as Monday and Tuesday.

Can my body handle this?

If you are able to do both twice a week then you are not training till falure. If you plan to gain muscle, 5kg's, then the only way to gain is to tear your muscle fibres so that your muscles grow and the only way to get them to tear is to train till failure. Keep sets 3-4 and reps 8-12. If you can fit in more than 12 reps, the weight is too low and you need to increase it. It should take approx. 5 days for muscles to repair without gear so you wont be training the same muscle groups with two days inbetween like you are currently doing

Beesting wrote[/quote]

If you are able to do both twice a week then you are not training till failure. If you plan to gain muscle, 5kg's, then the only way to gain is to tear your muscle fibres so that your muscles grow and the only way to get them to tear is to train till failure. Keep sets 3-4 and reps 8-12. If you can fit in more than 12 reps, the weight is too low and you need to increase it. It should take approx. 5 days for muscles to repair without gear so you wont be training the same muscle groups with two days in between like you are currently doing[/quote

I hear you loud and clear. You are right that I am not training till failure, but only on the Squat, because I train solo. On the Dead lift I train till failure, sometimes though it is my grip that fails. I know I could do something about this, but at the dojo they always advised not to take anything into the gym that you cannot take into the ring. Time to change this philosophy as I only train in the gym now?

I want to gain five kilo's only in April, now I still have to loose about seven kilo's of fat.

Man, five days for muscle to recover!!!! Then I need a sample routine Please, because I would not know where to start a strength routine where I can only train muscles every five days.

Beesting wrote

5 days for muscles to repair without gear


Okay so now I am blown away. I just downloaded and started reading the Max OT routine they have on this site. Is this the latest science? Every Group only once a week?

Johannes wrote:

Beesting wrote

5 days for muscles to repair without gear


Okay so now I am blown away. I just downloaded and started reading the Max OT routine they have on this site. Is this the latest science? Every Group only once a week?

That's biology for you, without steroids your muscles need time to repair themselves, nothing happens overnight

Johannes wrote:

Beesting wrote

5 days for muscles to repair without gear


Okay so now I am blown away. I just downloaded and started reading the Max OT routine they have on this site. Is this the latest science? Every Group only once a week?

Not latest science, how it is, unless you're a genetic freak. You don't grow in the gym-your breaking muscle tissue down in the gym, when you sleep and eat is when you repair the muscle tissue and grow.