black and blue from chiro?

Hey, If i remember correctly, I think one of you guys here is a chiro, and am sure some of you have experience with em.
I wanna go see one soon for my stuffed up shoulders, My training routine is a stop/start one, in the last month, I trained for 2weeks, shoulder(back of shoulder sorta whole area behind shoulder blade up to neck) went out, then didnt train for a week, used brufin and voltaren, then trained for a week up until yesterday, this morning, same story but right side this time!

Now, I have a pal that has been to the local chiro and he says his first session, he was in terrible pain! Another lady I know went to the same chiro and she says and the end of the session when she came home, her back was litterally black and blue!

I also thinking of taking my 2.5yr old daugher there cos of her constant constipation, I believe it could possibly be some alighnment problem a chiro can fix....So just a bit worried for her and me, is going to the chiro supposed to be that painfull?

jeah spike is.

Thanks mr Pump, take it you dont have much experience with d chiro, now WHERE FOR ART THOU, SPIKE?

Its weird that people come black and blue from a chiro,i go at least once a month for my lower back problem,and im never black and blue.My chiro normally does an ultra-sound and massage and im fit as a fiddle afterwards.I think you have a problem in your rotator-cuff(broscience opinion).

Your daughters constipation could be gastro-intestinal related.It could be a problem in her diet or maybe she is allergic to certain foods,fibre and lots of water normally sorts it out 100's.

remeber some people bruise much easier than others, its nearlly impossible for me bruise.

also remeber if you going to somebody that is trained i'm sure they know what they doing...

00pump wrote:

remeber some people bruise much easier than others, its nearlly impossible for me bruise.

also remeber if you going to somebody that is trained i'm sure they know what they doing...

Yeah Pump, I also thought it was impossible for me to bruise until I walked into the wrong pub in Pta.

hahah, serious? the blue bulls turned on their own kind?

OK OK Dr Spike in the house....



This sort of thing can really depend on what the problem is that is being treated, for instance tendonitis at any area is best treated by what is called cross friction, not a pleasant experience but boy does it work. Dry needling can also cause bruising, depending on the amount of needling and the patient themselves... Thats why you should always ice the treated area afterwards, unless directed NOT to by the chiro.

Alot of auxillary chiropractic techniques (all those other than manipulation) will aggravate pain slightly at first, and then steadily decrease it... This is normal. So it is often the case that the day after a hectic treatment one will feel stiff and/or bruised but give it a day and you'll feel fantastic. However, just because you are feeling great doesnt mean you should skip the next few treatments, this will allow the condition to regress, listen to the recommended treatment times and follow up appointments suggested, we dont do htat just to make more money, but to ensure that your injury is treated and corrected 100%.

I warn all my patients to expect a peak in pain and stiffness before the recovery begins, and always sughgest they ice the treated area

As for your daughter, there has been research showing that colic in some babies can respond well to chiro treatment, especially after traumatic birth. The innervation for the GI system also can be affected by spinal conditions and so in your case a chiropractic assessment is not a bad idea...

Anything else?

If it is your shoulder bothering yu expect a fair amount of pain in the treatment, they are a real bugger to treat... Stubborn injuries that require a lot of rehab and strengthening.

Again with your daughter, maybe try find a chiro who has focused there practise on kids as they'll naturally be more comfortable and experienced in that regard.. And dont worry as a da bro, my little girl got her first adjustment at around 3 months...

Wow, thanks alot spike, a little too sleepy now to think...Lol! So training would be out then, i suppose, till treatment sorted out? How long do you think it will be?

Sure bud. yeah i'd say try and avoid movements that aggravate the pain. If it hurts, its out! Use some lighter weights and work on strengthening the rotator cuff itself (int and ext rotational exercises - just google for some) keep it light and simple.

Sorry just reread your initial post, sounds more like a neck issue to me, how are your traps? The other muscles i'd expect to find some trigger points in are your levator scap, supraspinatus and infra spinatus... i think some needles would do you a world of good. Where you from?

I am from natal spike! Basically when the pain starts, its like i got knots around the insides of my shoulder blades, and the pain runs thru up to my neck, sometimes its really bad that i cant turn my neck! Sometimes the pain feels like almost stabbing like, and shoots thru my arm a little! I did have a pinched nerve about 2yrs ago on the left side! Been the phsio and she said do stretches and basically in a nut shell, give up lifting weights!

Know someone who has the same problem with the piched nerve and went for acupuncture etc and did not help. Looks like you will have to go for an op, u will be out for about 6 wks but either that or u will have to give up the weights eventually

Ok, sorry bee, but to be honest here the pinched nerve thing is not even a medical case, at most what one can get is an infringement on a nerve, which can often be relieved by the right exercise and adjustment. Surgery is always your last option, and in most cases of surgery you will have a thirty percent increased chance of a second surgery and so on. How did the physio diagnose a 'pinched nerve' as thats not even a medical diagnosis? An xray can give an idea of bone and joint degen in the area, but only a mri or ct can tell if a nerve is actually being impinged. Trigger points in muscles can refer pain in a pattern that mimics nerve involvement, and we have a number of ways of testing to find out where the root of the problem arises. Im in durban wayne, you near? Can email me at EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED and can maybe take a look at you

Well its actually my mom who has the problem. Im not too sure how it was diagnosed, but she had the pain shooting in her arm etc like wayne has described. Her neck is constantly inflamed and I think there may be fluid build up as well cos it feels as though there is. She went for physio etc but the med aid says they're no longer willing to pay and it was suggested that she have an op done where they put a plate in of some sort. That's all I really know about her situation

Yeah i understand bee, some doc's dont understand the case completely themselves and thus use laymans terms like 'pinched nerve', she should have tried for a second opinion and make sure at least xrays are done. Was it a traumatic injury or just slow onset?

I think there might have been X-rays done. I'll ask her when I see her again what the story is. It just came out of nowhere. Any suggestions?

Who did she see about it? Chiro? I'd find the xrays and go to someone for a second opinion, avoid any surgeon at this point as all they will want to do is cut, thats there thing... even a physio will opt surgery when feeling out of depth as they will often help with the post surgery rehab

Got muscle / joint problems - Go see a qualified Sports Physio / Medical Doctor
Got constipation problems - Go see a qualified Medical Doctor / Dietitian.
The fact that someone calls themselves a "Dr" does not mean that they qualified to deal with all medical problems.
else try using homeopathic gear, laugh off gym and just think about the reps and see if it works.

And you know all this hey? So that makes you a what?


Thanks for your opinion but after 6 years of studying the human body and pathologies related to it i find myself competent enough to call myself Dr, and the masters dissertation that goes with that proves it...

Maybe you should have a look at the Chiropractic programme offered here in SA and compare it to the Medical programme, i've had lecturers that teach in both and the general consensus is that the Chiro students have a much stronger understanding, and greater practical exposure.

As for pysio, there is a reason they dont get the title of Dr, they study for 4 years and are considered therapists, they DO NOT diagnose... I have all the respect for physio's and often work with them, we each tend to stick to our own fields and specialties, and Chiro's are musculoskeletal specialists....

Looking forward to your credentials

"And you know all this hey? So that makes you a what?" -
A medical scientist who is capable of logical and rational thought and who supports evidence based medicine. Pseudo scientific mumbo-jumbo doesn't cut it for me.

Well then maybe you should use those skills to do some research into the local chiropractic programmes at reputable institutions and find out for yourself how scientific Chiropractics is in our country. There are of course those few in any profession who stray from the accepted path and choose to practise under less than scientific protocols, but our local chiropractic organisation is very science based, in fact all graduates have to complete a masters dissertation, of publishable standards... I understand the priciples of logical, scientific research more than the average person as i am personally invovled in that right now. It would certainly suit you to read some published, reputable chiropractic research to see for yourself the thinking that goes into it... Like any profession we have our pariahs, just dont judge an entire profession on that.

Any good, scientific profession should be judged rather on the output of fact based research of good quality, and i assure you this exists, i am currently wading thru it

In terms of the mumbo jumbo theories out there, we do learn these as just that... Theories. They are merely a part of the professions history, much in the same way that Bloodletting and lobotomy are in the history of medicine.

I can assure you that any Chiropractor trained in South Africa has been taught under the strictest scientific standards, and been well versed in evidence based research

@ torusmaximus, I would suggest that u watch what u say as there are other members on the forum studying in the medical field