GH and Site Growth

I'm considering a 6 month cycle of Growth, and would like to know, is it worth trying it out for some site growth, biceps in particular.

I'm thinking of 5 days on, 2 off @ 8iu per day.

What you guys think?

rookie, i dont know if the guys will differ, but a few guys told me that you dont have to inject more than 5iu a day...

you can even do the injection every other day, example monday,wednesday,friday..

im on gh at the moment and i doubt that i will add muscle to you biceps..

I think those doses are used for weightloss martin, not to sure though .

Rookie wrote: I'm considering a 6 month cycle of Growth, and would like to know, is it worth trying it out for some site growth, biceps in particular.

I'm thinking of 5 days on, 2 off @ 8iu per day.

What you guys think?

There is local site growth with gh, igf and mgf. 8iu/day is fine split it though am/pm 4iu per time. don't eat 30 min post injection and 1 hr pre.

So if you do a subQ injection to your stomach, does this increase the size of your stomach

thats exacly my question, if i inject 4iu a day, the only effect will be weightloss, and if i go above 5iu...will i gain muscle or what...do you only inject in the stomach...

It has to do with igf within the muscle cells, no you will not get a bigger stomach.
IM shots are far superior to subq when it comes to gh.

Why use gh for fatloss there are far more effective cheaper options, as BB we use GH to increase hyperplasia and new muscle growth. AAS works in synergy with it to increase the cell size.

@Koe: Are you still running IGF1 LR3? Do you or would you use it in combo with gh?
I see you and DJ had success with IGF1 LR3. You did 3 x pins a week. How many weeks before taking a break?

Im off everything at the moment, I loved the IGF-LR3, 3*/week, post workout, GH was AM and before bed.
GH I usually stay on at least 8 months a year IGF on 4 weeks off 4 weeks then repeat.

@ Koe, Thanx for the input.

What about a 10iu eod split?

I'd rather opt for that as it mimics closer the bodies natural release pattern

sorry rookie i just wanna ask Koe007 something IGF-LR3 is it the same as Gh...
whats the benefit of it...i train for almost 4 year , and i dont even know what it is

Koe007 wrote:

Rookie wrote: I'm considering a 6 month cycle of Growth, and would like to know, is it worth trying it out for some site growth, biceps in particular.

I'm thinking of 5 days on, 2 off @ 8iu per day.

What you guys think?

There is local site growth with gh, igf and mgf. 8iu/day is fine split it though am/pm 4iu per time. don't eat 30 min post injection and 1 hr pre.

You say there is local site growth. Very interesting, so do you mean that you can expect more growth at the injection site? I am particularly interested in Calves.

There is site growth yes but with drugs like this you first look at the half life to see how long it is active in the body, and then you look at the target receptors to see what is affected and what other hormones are involved.

With HGH you get a dose dependant increase in IGF1 (short half life) but some is also converted to IGF LR3 which has a much longer half life. As long as the IGF1 is active it will travel through your bloodstream and bind to whatever IGF1 receptor sites it finds in the body. The theory behind site injections is that more IGF1 will reach receptors in the area that you inject before the rest of the IGF1 gets into your bloodstream and does it's thing elsewhere.

Your intestines have a very high concentration of IGF1 receptors, so they will eventually grow and give you that "GH gut" if you abuse HGH or high doses of IGF1, particularly LR3 because of the long half life. Your heart is also a muscle that has IGF1 receptors just like other muscles so it will also grow.

Awesome reply, thanks! You also answered my question in a new thread I just started on GH turtle guts!!
Maybe you can still check it out.

Wanted to know how you can avoid Turtle gut. And when is it abuse? Abuse being running the cycle too long or using stupid dosages.
I was looking at starting out low (2iu p.d, 4 weeks) ramping it up slowly to 8iu after about 12 weeks. Staying on it for a year.

I think I need to do a lot more research into GH, IGF-1, peptides etc.

If you use responsible doses you won't have to worry about a big jaw and nasty gut but just be aware. IGF1 causes new cells to grow where steroids just makes the cells you already have bigger. Pro's who are doing 50mg+ IGF1 shots in each arm are definitely growing their tummies. No way around it. The damage is done months before you actually start to see the unwanted growth. The newly formed 'baby' intestine cells will eventually grow to adult size and then say hello permaboep.

Muscleaddict wrote: If you use responsible doses you won't have to worry about a big jaw and nasty gut but just be aware. IGF1 causes new cells to grow where steroids just makes the cells you already have bigger. Pro's who are doing 50mg+ IGF1 shots in each arm are definitely growing their tummies. No way around it. The damage is done months before you actually start to see the unwanted growth. The newly formed 'baby' intestine cells will eventually grow to adult size and then say hello permaboep.

Bud, how the hell can you know so much!!?? You are honestly extremely knowledgable and always have good/detailed answers.
This forum is very lucky to have you on here.
Thanks for all your input!!

Muscleaddict wrote: If you use responsible doses you won't have to worry about a big jaw and nasty gut but just be aware. IGF1 causes new cells to grow where steroids just makes the cells you already have bigger. Pro's who are doing 50mg+ IGF1 shots in each arm are definitely growing their tummies. No way around it. The damage is done months before you actually start to see the unwanted growth. The newly formed 'baby' intestine cells will eventually grow to adult size and then say hello permaboep.

You said 50mg in each arm? That is like 135iu's in each arm? Per day, week, or month? That's a shitload.

DBatDBN wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: If you use responsible doses you won't have to worry about a big jaw and nasty gut but just be aware. IGF1 causes new cells to grow where steroids just makes the cells you already have bigger. Pro's who are doing 50mg+ IGF1 shots in each arm are definitely growing their tummies. No way around it. The damage is done months before you actually start to see the unwanted growth. The newly formed 'baby' intestine cells will eventually grow to adult size and then say hello permaboep.

You said 50mg in each arm? That is like 135iu's in each arm? Per day, week, or month? That's a shitload.

He meant mcg, not mg.

martin82 wrote: sorry rookie i just wanna ask Koe007 something IGF-LR3 is it the same as Gh...
whats the benefit of it...i train for almost 4 year , and i dont even know what it is

Sorry only saw this now, IGF has a different amino acid profile than HGH. Whilst similair they are not the same, IGF levels are increased by the liver as a result of using growth hormone. Whereas injecting IGF directly into a muscle has a more direct effect on growth of the muscle as well as increasing insulin sensitivity. IMO IGF is stronger but cannot be used for long periods at a time but should rather be cycled. This is due to the negative effects it has on organ growth for example.