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03 Dec 2009 13:21 #30508 by larsenc
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sorry, dont know if this has been asked before, if it has, then please let me know where to read about it...

my wife has this friend, who has recently been trying to get her to try this injectable fat burning stuff, its a localised subcutaneous injection, that apparently dissolves fat where it is injected, sorry dont have a name, but thats not what my question is about, just the lead up to it.

she then gave my wife this white tablet - R100/tab that you crush and mix with some oily solution and rub that into your problem area, i tried it first before letting her do something i didnt know about (guinea pig that i am) and it felt "tingly" on my tummy, and seemed to work very well, tummy was more cut for the rest of that week (I know i didnt believe it, but it was)

the friend is now trying to get my wife to take hGH, not too sure which one, by telling her that when you are a kid, specially girls, you dont see cellulite on them, and thats because of the natural GH they have. is this true? have also told my wife that when you are a kid, GH level also grow bones etc... i've never know hGH to be a fat burner, told her to rather stick to clen if anything.

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03 Dec 2009 13:28 #30509 by Empire
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ummmm GH is an excellent fat burner dude,thats the only result u will get off of 3 months usage.

that tablet is probably a yohimbine based product that will make the skin tingly but the problem is if u use dsmo oil to get the yohimbine through the skin and the skin has bacteria on it,the dsmo oil will help get that bacteria through the skin and into your body which can be a beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg problem... thats why half these transdermal things contain alcohol to kill any bacteria that might be on the skin...

the injectable that u are probably being advised on it either ventipulmin (injectable clen) or reverzine(yohimbine hcl) those are known to be sire reducing and if u mix them together u get a decent result esp on ketogenic diets...

but honestly stay away from making your own things with tablets and oils cos at the end of the day if there is any bacteria around u are in a world of trouble...

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03 Dec 2009 13:29 #30510 by Empire
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HGH Treatment as a Weight Loss Drug
HGH is a natural substance that is excreted by the pituitary glands in the human body. As a person ages, the level of HGH that their body produces decreases. However, human growth hormone drugs work to raise a person's levels of HGH back to a youth-like level, therefore aiding in weight loss.

Human growth hormone works by increasing the amount of IGF-1 that a person's liver excretes. IGF-1 prevents insulin from transporting glucose to cells. Normally, after you eat, your pancreas releases the amount of insulin necessary to transform carbohydrates into glucose. Your body then stores this glucose in fat cells and uses it for energy. HGH induced IGF-1 prevents insulin from storing this glucose in cells, therefore forcing your body to burn fat for energy.

Normally, a person's body uses all of their glucose for energy before seeking that energy from their fat reserves. Human growth hormone forces your body to seek energy from the fat reserves first. This results in significant weight loss.

Because human growth hormone forces your body to burn fat for energy, it means that you will lose weight even in your inactive periods. Energy is required for all aspects of living. Therefore, HGH can force your body to burn fat while you are sleeping. Additionally, it allows you to eat large amounts of food without gaining excess unwanted weight. HGH replaces the need to diet.

Another beneficial effect of HGH is its ability to force your body to grow new muscle cells. Normally, a person stops growing muscle cells after puberty. They then have to do weight training in order to increase the size of these muscle cells. However, the number of muscle cells never grows.

Human growth hormone helps to increase the number of muscle cells a person has. This means that they have to do significantly less weight training in order to develop muscle density. HGH, in addition to helping you lose weight, can help you increase muscle density and develop definition. It will help you get the body you want in the areas of weight and muscle definition.

Another beneficial effect of human growth hormone is heightened energy levels and metabolism. Naturally produced HGH is responsible for these effects in children, and, by using human growth hormone drugs as an adult, you can feel the same energy as you did in your youth. An increased metabolism means increased fat loss. In fact, HGH can cause weight loss even without exercise.

Human growth hormone increases strength, promotes healthy weight gain, and promotes fat loss. The side effects of using HGH as a weight loss drug are minimal and rare.

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03 Dec 2009 13:38 #30511 by larsenc
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thank you so much dj... i honestly had the impression that using GH would cause you to look like HULK and have a square jaw line etc. like i've said before, this place has taught me so much! really appreciate all the advice given on here!

i have seem some really big guys on stage, that the judges dont even ask them to do a side pose, as they look "pregnant" it that caused from using hGH and insulin together? - sorry was told that if i want to take my training to the next level that i need to go GH route, specially if i want to compete.

thanks for the advice on the tab and helping it transport bacteria in as well... that is hectic!

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03 Dec 2009 13:46 #30514 by Empire
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ummm dude u can compete with out gh,search for ogre transformation he doesnt use gh and look at him...its all about your anabolics and your feeding habits in order to get bigger and leaner...

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03 Dec 2009 13:48 #30515 by larsenc
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think someone is just trying to make money off me!

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03 Dec 2009 14:03 #30517 by larsenc
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if i am reading that properly, it seems like you helped that guy go from "Ogre" to "excuse me sir, what gear do you use" - sorry the topic went a little off subject towards to end of that post...

did you train him, or just give him advice? what cost were involved? am really interested in getting to something like that, if not bigger.

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03 Dec 2009 14:59 #30519 by jackrabbit1
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larsenc wrote:

if i am reading that properly, it seems like you helped that guy go from "Ogre" to "excuse me sir, what gear do you use" - sorry the topic went a little off subject towards to end of that post...

did you train him, or just give him advice? what cost were involved? am really interested in getting to something like that, if not bigger.



Unless you've been there before dont expect to get there as fast as Ogre did. Add a couple of years; 5 or so(On juice).

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03 Dec 2009 15:06 #30520 by Jayman
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(my apologies for this :) )
Dj, I just dropped you a mail bro let me know when you receive it please

Train harder than the guy next to you and one day, no-one will be able to touch you

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03 Dec 2009 16:19 #30521 by larsenc
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Hey Jackrabbit, may not be as "bulked" up as ogre is, but i recon i am close to his size, height 1.78m body fat 10.5% weight 97.4kg's (yes had to add the .4 :laugh: ) have all my measurements at home, i can bring them in and write them down.

have been "playing" around for far too long now, i WANT to go comp, so mind set is right, diet is right, now just need to get the advice on right gear etc... and if someone could take me on as a "pet project" that wouldnt hurt too bad either.

really like the way ogre changed! was very impressive!

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03 Dec 2009 16:49 #30522 by Empire
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larsenc wrote:

if i am reading that properly, it seems like you helped that guy go from "Ogre" to "excuse me sir, what gear do you use" - sorry the topic went a little off subject towards to end of that post...

did you train him, or just give him advice? what cost were involved? am really interested in getting to something like that, if not bigger.


i didnt train him,his training was done with his partner, i helped him with cycle designing,diet and what ever else he needed,he came in bigger and harder and used half the muti than previous years and he placed 3rd at the natals this year which has been his best achievement yet...he is only gonna do better next year mark my words,he will be 5kgs heavier on stage and even harder and drier!!

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03 Dec 2009 16:54 #30523 by Empire
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larsenc wrote:

Hey Jackrabbit, may not be as "bulked" up as ogre is, but i recon i am close to his size, height 1.78m body fat 10.5% weight 97.4kg's (yes had to add the .4 :laugh: ) have all my measurements at home, i can bring them in and write them down.

have been "playing" around for far too long now, i WANT to go comp, so mind set is right, diet is right, now just need to get the advice on right gear etc... and if someone could take me on as a "pet project" that wouldnt hurt too bad either.

really like the way ogre changed! was very impressive!


i would like to see this diet of yours,comp diets are very strict and can be brutal.

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03 Dec 2009 21:02 #30528 by Beastie
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Hi Guys: Some info on HGH, always good to be on your toes, THE MORE YOU KNOW THE BETTER IT GETS!! :cheer:

Buying liquid HGH for Injection
Liquid HGH is very sensitive to heat, losing potency if not kept at a temperature of 2-8 degrees at all times, even then becoming useless after around 20 days. Its sensitivity also extends to vigorous movements, such as shaking, which can shatter the fragile links between atoms of the molecule. For those two reasons it is very unlikely that a liquid form of HGH can be delivered to you by postal courier (which is the standard practice when buying on the internet). If they put it on dry ice it is too cold, and HGH is destroyed, if they let it overheat, it is too hot and HGH is destroyed, if they shake it a lot, drop it, etc.. it is destroyed.

If you are buying on the black market again, do not buy the liquid form because you can never be sure if it was properly stored, or if it's not expired. If you get it out of a pharmacy store or a reliable deler then it could be OK.

HGH Spray, HGH Pills
HGH is large, fragile protein molecule with a molecular weight of 20,000. It contains 191 amino acids in an exact sequence, with many fragile cross-linkages that give it an important 3-D configuration. Its only source is from human genes, using very expensive and meticulous recombinant DNA technology. HGH from any other source, even from other animals, does not work in humans. There is no other source of HGH. There is absolutely no naturally occurring plant source of HGH. HGH must be made using human genetics. The only safe form of HGH is made by splicing human genes into bacteria cells or embryonic mammalian cells, and then growing those cells in a culture media.

True HGH can only be absorbed in effective amounts by injecting the pharmaceutical grade of HGH, which is expensive and only available on a doctor's prescription. It CANNOT be absorbed by mouth, by SPRAY or by the sublingual route. Various forms of human growth hormone (HGH) are being marketed as a nasal spray, oral spray, tablet, powder, or capsule. Full page advertisements for such products have been seen in major newspapers. The facts must be addressed in scientific and legal terms before any such claims can be believed.

HGH Releasers
Most so-called HGH releasers are composed of amino acids, primarily L-arginine, in large doses. A heaping teaspoon of L-arginine on an empty stomach will increase HGH release by the pituitary gland in a young person by up to 25%, for only a short time, and only in those people who already make a lot of HGH on their own and don't need any more. It will not cause HGH to be released to any significant degree in an older person, when it is needed to prevent accelerated aging. The small releasing effect is progressively lost with age.

HGH releasers are non specific. They also increase the pituitary release of ACTH, causing an increase in adrenal cortisone production. Cortisone (cortisol) speeds aging while giving a temporary boost in energy and well-being. For this reason you might encounter testimonials of immediate "feel-good" effects of such products. That is unrelated to HGH.

HGH releasers have the same effect as ghrelin, an appetite stimulating peptide hormone. HGH releasers therefore increase appetite and cause weight gain.

Some so-called HGH releasers contain raw animal brains, listed on the label as "hypothalamus" or "pituitary." The theory is that they contain a minute amount of GH releasing hormone (GHRH). Raw brain tissue is the primary cause of mad cow disease, scientifically known as spongiform encephalopathy or Creutzfeldt Jakob disease. This is true of all so-called glandular products with freeze dried brain or pituitary ingredients.

The effect of HGH releasers gradually fades with time, over a few months - called tachyphylaxis.

Online sources of Lyophilized recombinant HGH
Lyophilized (white dry powder) HGH can be stable at room temperature for long enough to be transported to you, however be very very careful who you buy from. Because real HGH is a very expensive medicine there will naturally be plenty of counterfiet merchandise all over the black market. The internet is also full of outright scammers who will appear as a normal online pharmacy, even charge credit cards, offer prescriptions and when you actually make a "purchase" they are never to be heard from again. Some may sell expired, misshandled (improperly stored) merchandise. If you are lucky or inventful you might be able to buy directly from the HGH manufacturer, pharmacy or an anti aging clinic (use your local yellow pages). If you send an email to the manufacturer they should be able to instruct you what the proper way to obtain their product is.

HGH Caps
Producing real HGH capsules is not a piece of cake and cannot be done in a bathtub pharmacy (like many steroids can). The equipment alone is worth multi millions. Any company which can afford the equipment, can afford a proper brand name, recognition by FDA equivalent of the country in which the product is manufactured.

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04 Dec 2009 07:09 #30531 by jackrabbit1
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larsenc wrote:

Hey Jackrabbit, may not be as "bulked" up as ogre is, but i recon i am close to his size, height 1.78m body fat 10.5% weight 97.4kg's (yes had to add the .4 :laugh: ) have all my measurements at home, i can bring them in and write them down.

have been "playing" around for far too long now, i WANT to go comp, so mind set is right, diet is right, now just need to get the advice on right gear etc... and if someone could take me on as a "pet project" that wouldnt hurt too bad either.

really like the way ogre changed! was very impressive!


What i'm saying is that Ogre has been to that level a couple of years already.
Those muscles aren't new and alot of what you see is muscle memory.
Dont expect to build that amount of quality muscle in 3 months - you are going to be disappointed.

Fook man - its impressive to me and i just came off an 8 month cycle.

When you start planning make sure you get that hairy squirrel involved. If he doesnt have the gen he knows alot of other guys who do.

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04 Dec 2009 09:14 #30552 by larsenc
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hey there guys, not trying to get comp cuts yet, know i'm not the right size for that yet... but have to start somewhere right?

Meal 1 7am - have my protein shake, whey protein with a evox mass builder ±50g protein to 30g carbs - also, vit C, multi vit, omega 3 & 6, cal & mag tabs, and at the moment supadrol 10 and 5g l-glutamine

Meal 2 10.30am - either oats or some breakfast cereal with skim milk

Meal 3 1pm- depends on what i feel like that day, its either tuna or health bread, or chicken breasts and pasta (yes i know, but not comp diet yet) some times, i'll have cheese and tomato toasted (cheat meal) - 1 mercury fat burner

Meal 4 3.30pm- EAS protein shake 25g protein 19g carbs

Meal 5 5.30pm..pre workout drink Crea-pump (SSN) supadrol 10, 5g l-glutamine & about 6 dates

Train - will finish off the crea-pump and then swop over to cytomaize.

Post workout when i get home, BCAA's, supadrol 10, vit c, whey protein & 5g l-glutamine

8.30 - 9.00 depends on what we having for supper, but its either fish with steamed veggies, or chicken with brown rice & vegs, some nights its chicken in a cook in sauce with brown rice, or mince on spaghetti. once a week or two we have a cheat night, with KFC or pizza

know diet is probably not the best, but not too bad either i hope?

DJ would really like it if you could help me to get better or the same as ogre.

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04 Dec 2009 10:35 #30558 by Inja
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djeasye wrote:

that tablet is probably a yohimbine based product that will make the skin tingly but the problem is if u use dsmo oil to get the yohimbine through the skin and the skin has bacteria on it,the dsmo oil will help get that bacteria through the skin and into your body which can be a beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg problem... thats why half these transdermal things contain alcohol to kill any bacteria that might be on the skin...


Hey bro, are you refering to dimethyl sulphoxide as the shuttle molecule (DMSO)? If so then the DMSO will not let bacteria through the skin. Its like a very strong ant trying to pull a bowling ball through a block of gelatine... The ant can make a small hole, but the bowling ball sure as hell wont fit! Also DMSO is ant-bacterial. So you don't have to worry about that. The concern is the DMSO pulling other harmful small molecules through the body.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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04 Dec 2009 11:26 #30565 by Empire
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now i am not too sure inja,i know there is another carrier oil that u have to be wary of.

larsnec dude,if u expect to grow on a diet like that u are not gonna get far,also if i was to stick u on a comp diet u would last 3 weeks if thats what u have been eating... u need to learn to diet for a full year and then consider competing

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07 Dec 2009 08:49 #30643 by larsenc
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hey dj, was told that this diet was ok for getting bigger... shows you what some people know... pretty much like the guys replying on the dex & mex post i had... please could you send me something, also please can you try make it cost effective, as i'm not one of the richest guys around!

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07 Dec 2009 08:54 #30645 by Empire
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well dude email me and we will work something out. EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED it will probably cost u less than u spending now cos there will be less meal replacements... u can get whey and stuff from LSJ for cheap which will save u plenty...

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