An alternative view

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01 Mar 2009 15:32 #10074 by getaphix
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These are not my writings but the principles can like to make sense. To me anyway.
There are many ways to skin a cat, maybe this is another.

Taper Protocol:

Following the cycle use a 4-6 weeks Waiting Period, 4 weeks if you are using esters such as propinate. 4-6 week with esters such as cypionate and enanthate. Esters such as Decanoate require a 6 week waiting period.

If you are using HCG during the cycle to maintain testicular size and function - you must stop HCG at the end of your cycle and be HCG free throughout the waiting period.

Phase 1 - Waiting Period
During the waiting period you should taper off any aromatase inhibitors you are using - basically get rid of all drugs in your system besides testosterone i.e. 100mg/week. Taper off AI’s by week 3.

The research showed no HPTA suppression while using a SERM and low dose testosterone - 100mg per week

It also showed no HPTA suppression without SERM use while using 25mg of testosterone enanthate per week.

I prefer injecting enanthate twice per week as my ester of choice. But you can use propinate or sustenon as well, just divide it into 3 doses per week.

Week 1-6 or 1-4: Test E 100mg per week

Phase 2 - Taper
Once the waiting period is over, gradually reduces the dose weekly for 6 weeks until you are off i.e. week 1-6 mg/ week:
80mg / 60mg/ 50mg/ 40mg/ 30 mg/ 20mg.

Start your SERM (Nolva or Clomid) at the beginning of the taper if you choose to. You can taper without a SERM and still be successful doing so.

Alternate Taper: Test & Masteron

Use 50mg Test E & 50mg Masteron E per week or Masteron Prop, with Test Prop for the waiting period, and keep the ratio the same as you taper down as well (1:1, with the starting total mg amount 100mg).

No SERM use is needed and I have found libido to be even better when using this mix.

The Masteron acts as an anti E, and the DHT enhances libido. The Masteron itself at that amount does not subtract from HPTA function more than it adds libido enhancement, and estrogen control.

Masteron is the only drug that I have found to fit the bill perfectly for this purpose, but you can try Aromasis as well, but I don't think it would have the same positive effects on libido.

As for using other drugs during your PCT that may enhance workouts and maintain size...

There are a wide variety of supplements out there that have no negative effect on the HPTA.

As for other drugs, some options would be:

IGF, MGF, HGH, Clenbutoral and Insulin which I highly do not recommend.

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01 Mar 2009 15:35 #10075 by getaphix
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The waiting period makes sense to me, as it allows other suppresive drugs to clear (Tren, etc.)
I'm not so hot on the test taper. If you were using Test En 100mg / week, just stop and it will taper down anyway. No Crash!

My question is would cortisol levels decrease during the waiting period or would they remain high?

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