PCT Timing CONFUSION!!

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05 Aug 2012 13:05 #116496 by Snitch
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Hi Guys..im a lil confused as to how the timing of a PCT goes..ive read throught the pCT section on this site and understand it fully..out of curiosity i went on another site and found something completely different?? Ive posted it below..they dont use the "rule" of compound half life *3 for your waiting period..it seems to me for longer acting esther you wait 14-18 days and for shorter esthers you wait 3 days?? Could you guys please read through the post below and let me know what your views are? :)
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When to Implement a PCT Plan

It should go without saying; the time to implement post cycle therapy is when all anabolic steroid use has come to an end; this is a given; however, it’s not quite that black and white. If you’re going to be off-cycle for only a short period of time, a PCT plan can be counterproductive and cause even more stress to the body. Remember what we said above; limiting stress is extremely important. If you’re only going to be off-cycle for a short period of time, there’s no reason to stimulate your natural production when you’re going to immediately shut it down again; talk about a shock the body does not appreciate. For this reason, a post cycle therapy period should only be implemented when we’re going to be off-cycle for an extended period of time; meaning, no anabolic androgenic steroids will be present in our system. Of course, the next order of business is to define an extended period of time, and twelve weeks is a good place to start. If you’re going to be off-cycle less than 12 weeks, while you will lose some of your gains they will come back shortly once you go back on-cycle. Conversely, if you’re going to be off-cycle longer than 12 weeks, it’s time for a PCT plan for the reasons discussed above. It must be noted; this time frame of “off-cycle” does not include the PCT period; off means off everything.

Post Cycle Therapy Options

Now that you understand what a post cycle therapy plan is and when and why you should implement it, you need to understand how to implement it and the options you have. How you cycled your anabolic steroids will play a role, but regardless of your steroid use your PCT plan will always include a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM), and Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) and Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) will always be your best options. Recall what we discussed above in-regards to LH and FSH stimulation; it will be the SERM you use that causes such an action. It really doesn’t matter which SERM you choose, both can get the job done equally as well; simply pick one.

Beyond SERM use, which is essential, we have a few additional options; primarily Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG). hCG is an extremely powerful peptide hormone that can be used to prime the body for the SERM therapy to come due to its LH mimicking effect. Of course, hCG abuse can be very dangerous as it is potentially damaging to your HPTA if you use too much or for too long; if you do, your body may become dependent on the mimicked LH. Beyond hcg, another option can be Human Growth Hormone (HGH) as this will greatly protect your gains made while on-cycle as well as limit body-fat gain that can easily occur post steroid use. While HGH can be useful, you will only be using it if you were using it on-cycle; HGH is something that must be used for extended periods of time, and there’s no point in adding it into a PCT plan that’s only going to last a few weeks.

Now that you understand your options, you need to understand how to implement them. As for HGH, if you used it on-cycle, simply continue with it in the same manner post cycle; nothing changes. Then we have SERM’s which are a must, and the possible addition of hCG. This is where your actual steroid cycle will affect your post cycle therapy plan, and this affect surrounds what types of steroids you used; specifically large and small esters; let’s start with large esters. If your cycle ends with even one large ester anabolic steroid, if you’re only using a SERM you will begin SERM therapy approximately 14-18 days after your last injection. If you’re going to use hCG, you will begin hCG therapy 10 days after your last injection, complete it for 10 days and then begin SERM therapy. As for small esters, if your cycle ends with all small ester based anabolic steroids and you’re only using a SERM you will begin SERM therapy approximately 3 days after your last injection. Conversely, if you’re using hCG, you will begin hCG therapy 3 days after your last injection, complete it for 10 days and then begin SERM therapy.

Now you understand what you need to do and how you need to do it, but you still don’t have the proper doses or full time frame for your post cycle therapy treatment and that’s the final point of our discussion. While Nolvadex and Clomid can work equally as well, they will only work equally as well if they are dosed properly. This is where many fail when they use Clomid as Nolvadex is much stronger on a per milligram basis. For example, with 40mg of Nolvadex, for Clomid to match it you need 150mg. As for hCG dosing, 500iu to 1,000iu per day every day for 10 straight days is your plan and implemented precisely as discussed above. Once the hCG therapy is complete, you will start your Nolvadex therapy at 40mg per day or Clomid at 150mg per day; whichever you choose, you will continue it for two weeks. Once the two weeks is complete, you will complete two more weeks this time with a Nolvadex dosing at 20mg per day or a Clomid dosing at 100mg per day. No, you’re not done yet, you will complete one more week at 10mg per day for Nolvadex or 50mg per day with Clomid and add in an additional week at the same dose if you feel it is necessary.

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05 Aug 2012 13:45 #116503 by ABC01
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3 x the halflife is a rule of thumb. The main factor is starting your pct when AAS levels in your blood will be below 100. For this you can use a pct calculater on the net to work it out. Reasoning is that for example: running 500mg/week test en will clear levels quicker than say 900mg/week test en. We tend to start pct for both cycles acc to the rule of thumb but clearing time is different actually

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06 Aug 2012 09:15 #116583 by Snitch
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yea i understand what you saying bro :) but if it was the rule of thumb to start your pct 3 times the half life..why does this site show something completely different? its the largest site in the states so i doubt they talking shit..but i must say the 3 times the half life rule does make sense..just want to know why they use such a short waiting period before PCT?

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06 Aug 2012 15:24 #116649 by Snitch
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can anyone here answer me? :) haha..im just confused..wana mae sure im doing things right..who decided on the rule of thumb? (3 times the half life)

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06 Aug 2012 15:35 #116655 by gab
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im sure its just to make it simpler and easyer for guys to do their pct calc. but if you have the time use a pct calc and do it according. thats my reasoning to it.

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08 Aug 2012 15:38 #116981 by Snitch
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yea it could be bro..but the thing is..you want to restore your natural hormones after a cycle as soon as possible!! to prevent muscle loss etc..and there is no scientific proof saying that waiting an extended amount of time before your PCT is better and that it will make your PCt more effective??

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08 Aug 2012 17:32 #116993 by INCUBUS
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I went to one of those online pct calculators and it said wait 3 days after last pin for test prop ?? Thats alot shorter than 3x the half life !!

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08 Aug 2012 20:11 #117000 by Zimbulk88
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From experience .. My personal opinion .. Waiting 3 times the half life is the best thing I have ever learnt ! I have done just after and all other methods but never waiting so long to pct .. Trust me it works for me and I have only lost 2 kilos from 12 !

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08 Aug 2012 20:43 #117005 by Eidolon
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Snitch wrote: yea it could be bro..but the thing is..you want to restore your natural hormones after a cycle as soon as possible!! to prevent muscle loss etc..and there is no scientific proof saying that waiting an extended amount of time before your PCT is better and that it will make your PCt more effective??


Many guys here have done bloodwork based on 3xHL wait until PCT, so I'm not so sure that there isn't scientific proof. If you start your PCT while hormone levels are elevated, it will be a waste, and you will end up in a suppressed state.

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08 Aug 2012 21:04 #117016 by INCUBUS
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Ja I wasint questioning why we wait longer I was just surprised how soon the other sites recommend starting pct .

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10 Aug 2012 07:29 #117154 by Snitch
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yea i understand the principal behind waiting 3 times the HL..but was also just a bit suprised to see the short waiting period on other sites..for your short esthers you wait 3 days after your last pin and with longer esthers its 14-18 days..but i see they run the pct for a longer period of time..couldnt that be a reason why they use such a short waiting time?

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10 Aug 2012 11:46 #117211 by MxT
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Suddenly the rule of thumb becomes complex. Thats why i dont like rule's of thumb.So here are a few :P Work of ur longest acting ester. Ignore the substances that leave the system before hand for most part. Know ur ester lifes and half lifes. Have ur pct on hand BEFORE you start. Read read and read. Its your body. Understand it and what you are doing with it. And when in doubt use the search function. The site is advanced enough to find most answers to most questions a few times over and then some.

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11 Aug 2012 03:07 #117371 by Essie
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I usually work on 3XHalf-Life of the longest acting ester I have been using on cycle and that protocol has always treated me nicely. B)

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