PCT and liver damage

So Today was my last day on my Oral-T and Proviron, 6 weeks,
never went higher than 60mcg per day on both agents.
And I had my bloodwork done yesterday to ee if I had any liver damage and/or bad Cholesterol.
Turns out I have according to the Pathologist,
I have my clomid and Nova, should I start my PCT in two days or should I first sort out my Liver and Cholesterol.
As I have read that both agent are liver toxic.

Hey INB4,

Did you run Liver detox supps while on your cycle?
You should also wait till after PCT to do Bloodwork or did you have any discomfort?
How severe is the liver damage? or did they just tell you, you've got liver damage goodluck with that....

I ran milk thistle before I even strarted,
I noticed a colour change in my urine, and pain in my lower back (kidneys are fine btw)
I actually have no idea on how to interpret these results, made an appointment to see my doc tomorrow.
s-alkaline phosphatase 75.00 u1@37c 42.00- 158.00
s total bilirubin 14.00 umo1/1 0.00 - 20.00
s-conjugated bilirubin 3.00 umo1/1 0.00 8.00

Had the same a while back. Let us know what the doc said

Hey Bro:Im a 53year old bodybuilder and back in the day we had no Pct protocal and you no What? no one on a 6-week cycle needed One? First get your Hormone level's checked after the Half-life of the steroid's is finished.I'll bet you,wont need any clomid,noledex,or hcg. this is for heavy cycles with month's and our year's of use involved.Your natural hormone endocrine system is not Guaranteed not too start?In most cases it reactivates without any outside help.No old school bodybuilder's had pct and we didn't loose are muscle.The reason people loose muscle is steroids give the person that extra drive and when we come-off we get psychologically depressed and think negative and eat poorly.That is why the best cycle is the lowest,as big fast gain's ,also become big fast losses.all the best john

No no no johnny. Please do not advise people not to take PCT. Your hormones will take forever to recover why do that to yourself when you can just run a PCT? PS- the way they did it back in the day has been proven over and over again to be wrong.

INB4 wrote: I ran milk thistle before I even strarted,
I noticed a colour change in my urine, and pain in my lower back (kidneys are fine btw)
I actually have no idea on how to interpret these results, made an appointment to see my doc tomorrow.
s-alkaline phosphatase 75.00 u1@37c 42.00- 158.00
s total bilirubin 14.00 umo1/1 0.00 - 20.00
s-conjugated bilirubin 3.00 umo1/1 0.00 8.00

Those are all well within the reference range. :S

What about your ALT and AST on your bloodwork results?

From that I don't see what all the fuss is about. Did you mean your pathologist said you had bad cholesterol or liver damage as well? Weird. Oral turinabol is a 17aa steroid so it's expected to have elevated liver enzymes straight after a cycle even if you take milk thistle. OT also increases your red blood cell count and bilirubin is formed from the breakdown of red blood cells so bilirubin will usually be elevated when coming off.

admin wrote: Hey Bro:Im a 53year old bodybuilder and back in the day we had no Pct protocal and you no What? no one on a 6-week cycle needed One? First get your Hormone level's checked after the Half-life of the steroid's is finished.I'll bet you,wont need any clomid,noledex,or hcg. this is for heavy cycles with month's and our year's of use involved.Your natural hormone endocrine system is not Guaranteed not too start?In most cases it reactivates without any outside help.No old school bodybuilder's had pct and we didn't loose are muscle.The reason people loose muscle is steroids give the person that extra drive and when we come-off we get psychologically depressed and think negative and eat poorly.That is why the best cycle is the lowest,as big fast gain's ,also become big fast losses.all the best john

If you give bad advice like this again you will be banned permanently.


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S-AST 1840.0 U/1 @37C 10.00- 37.00
S-ALT 287.00 U/1 @ 37C 10.00 -40.00
S-lactate dehydrogenase 223.00 U/1 @ 37C 110.00 220.00

Admin sorry to say but I think you are too nice.
He has not given ANY good advice here ever. This is the year 2012 now!
The other day he stated that Winstol Suspension is not hepatotoxic.

@INB4, just keep on taking your liver supplements. Hope your discomfort gets better.

When I had a similar problem I read up on the liver for days. If your liver gets toxic the toxicity will go away once the substance that caused it is stopped being taken. It might take a week or two for all sides to go away.

Haha this is a funny story, my friend did some bush diving the one night and there was a metal dropper in the bush that kept it straight when it was planted that you can’t see….. so that went right through his liver! He had to get surgery to stop the bleeding but afterwards the doctor just gave him ‘n shit load of pills the Doc said it’s like Essentials on steroids. He healed 100% and is drinking like a Boss again. So the liver is quite an awesome organ.

INB4 wrote: S-AST 1840.0 U/1 @37C 10.00- 37.00
S-ALT 287.00 U/1 @ 37C 10.00 -40.00

Eish that had to be the culprit. That is a bit :huh: but high AST and ALT doesn't equate to liver damage or impaired funtion. Can be a lot of things that push it that high like muscle damage and other factors. 17aa will always elevate those but they can drop quick. I still wouldn't stress because your other values are fine. If your bilirubin was very high as well along with that different story because that can indicate impaired liver function but it looks fine.

Your doc can only give you a proper interpretation of the results if you tell him you were on steroids anyway. He will obviously then try to scare the shit out of you so its it's a catch 22. Just take your essentiale/Liv52 and you'll be fine.

AE wrote: bush diving

:lol: Memories! :lol: It's amazing how much fun you can have when you disengage the brain!

Muscleaddict wrote:

INB4 wrote: S-AST 1840.0 U/1 @37C 10.00- 37.00
S-ALT 287.00 U/1 @ 37C 10.00 -40.00

Eish that had to be the culprit. That is a bit :huh: but high AST and ALT doesn't equate to liver damage or impaired funtion. Can be a lot of things that push it that high like muscle damage and other factors. 17aa will always elevate those but they can drop quick. I still wouldn't stress because your other values are fine. If your bilirubin was very high as well along with that different story because that can indicate impaired liver function but it looks fine.

Your doc can only give you a proper interpretation of the results if you tell him you were on steroids anyway. He will obviously then try to scare the shit out of you so its it's a catch 22. Just take your essentiale/Liv52 and you'll be fine.

Check S-GOT levels as well.

Liv-52 is really going to assist, my doc put a liver transplant patient on it and the values decreased by 500 which in his case was amazing.

Koe007 wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:

INB4 wrote: S-AST 1840.0 U/1 @37C 10.00- 37.00
S-ALT 287.00 U/1 @ 37C 10.00 -40.00

Eish that had to be the culprit. That is a bit :huh: but high AST and ALT doesn't equate to liver damage or impaired funtion. Can be a lot of things that push it that high like muscle damage and other factors. 17aa will always elevate those but they can drop quick. I still wouldn't stress because your other values are fine. If your bilirubin was very high as well along with that different story because that can indicate impaired liver function but it looks fine.

Your doc can only give you a proper interpretation of the results if you tell him you were on steroids anyway. He will obviously then try to scare the shit out of you so its it's a catch 22. Just take your essentiale/Liv52 and you'll be fine.

Check S-GOT levels as well.

Liv-52 is really going to assist, my doc put a liver transplant patient on it and the values decreased by 500 which in his case was amazing.

S-GOT and AST are the same test.

AE wrote: Admin sorry to say but I think you are too nice.
He has not given ANY good advice here ever. This is the year 2012 now!
The other day he stated that Winstol Suspension is not hepatotoxic.

@INB4, just keep on taking your liver supplements. Hope your discomfort gets better.

When I had a similar problem I read up on the liver for days. If your liver gets toxic the toxicity will go away once the substance that caused it is stopped being taken. It might take a week or two for all sides to go away.

Haha this is a funny story, my friend did some bush diving the one night and there was a metal dropper in the bush that kept it straight when it was planted that you can’t see….. so that went right through his liver! He had to get surgery to stop the bleeding but afterwards the doctor just gave him ‘n shit load of pills the Doc said it’s like Essentials on steroids. He healed 100% and is drinking like a Boss again. So the liver is quite an awesome organ.

@AE,Just to add to your thread; the liver is the only organ in the human body that can regenerate itself.

So the Doc says my Cholesterol isn't that bad for my age, I told her I was on Tbol, She just asked me if it worked. :ohmy:

She has referred me to a specialist physician to monitor my recovery.

Eish... she is clever... she knows how touchy ou's are about their gains... (and that a lot of people klap gym because of insecurities)... psychological attack that is.