Danger of nolvadex

I was recently reading some information about nolvadex and Clomid and the dangers of using it about it being a carcinogen. On the flip side I know many body builders who have been using such compounds for years with no negative effect. Here is the link if you would like to read it. I also do understand to not beleive everything I read I also understand that this compounds are prescribed for women with breast cancer etc. That doesnt mean that its right or ok. It wouldnt be the first time the medical/gov does soemthing stupid... I found the individuals on this forum to be extremly knowledgable hense the reason I posted this on here. Maybe there is someone on here with a medcal background like doctari who could give me some feedback on this. Thanks

Hi falconer;your absolutely right tamoxafin/novadex and arimedex are all prescribed too woman and men for breast cancer/prostate cancer,bodybuilder's use too lower estrogin.Your right to have concerns.Hgh is also thought to excellerate the spread of cancer.The more substance we consume,the more at risk our health.Those young bodybuilder's may be heading down a dangeroious road.Thanks for your question. johnny

I have noticed that there is quite a fuss being made about the "dangers" of nolvadex on some other bodybuilding forums, and from what I've noticed the war on nolvadex all seems to come from the moderators who are also sponsors of the forums trying to sell their alternative PCT drugs to use instead of nolvadex and clomid. EF forums in particular. Their moderators condemn anyone planning to use nolvadex, saying it is "poison" and that it will give you cancer, before promptly advising you to take a cocktail of their overpriced 'natural' :side: alternatives.

The dangerous side effects that are preached about are generally liver cirrhosis, fatty liver and liver cancer. Now of course when we are dealing with our health all we are interested in is the FACTS. Yes, nolvadex/tamoxifen has most definitely been associated with those liver issues and in women it also found to increase the chance of uterine cancer. But now to put that into perspective you have to looks at all the variables- how long were those people on nolvadex for? How much were they taking? What else were the taking that could have damaged the liver etc...

When we use Nolvadex for we use 20mg/day for around 1 month during PCT. Sometimes to fight gyno symptoms when they appear. That's it. We don't stay on high doses for ages like women who have breast cancer do. Women who developed cirrhosis/liver cancer that was attributed to the use of nolvadex were all on it for long periods of time, sometimes 3 to 5 years in a for or more before there were complications. Fatty liver is a concern with continuous long term use(years on it daily) of Nolvadex. But these issues are not related to short term use of tamoxifen of a month or 2 like how we use it! I highly doubt there have been any of the before mentioned issues arising out of using nolvadex for PCT.

Since these findings, more clinical trials have been done with Nolvadex specifically on people with preexisting liver issues like hepatitis and cirrhosis to see if tamoxifen therapy can be be safely tolerated by them. I've seen nothing that gives me any reason to stop using nolvadex in PCT and I did quite a bit of searching on various clinical trials sites, medscape and the national library of medicine.

Most interesting to me was a study where a group of men (think it was about 20 guys) who all already had cirrhosis of the liver, were given 20mg Nolvadex a day to treat some breast issues associated with the cirrhosis. None of the men had further liver issues or other bad side effects from the nolvadex and the study concluded that it was safe to use.

The carcinogenic side effects are only a concern with LONG TERM DAILY use. Just about every drug in our bathroom cupboards will increase your risk for some cancer or disease if used daily for years! If you are someone who plan's on using nolvadex for longer than a few months because of gyno, then I would advise doing that under medical supervision or at least getting regular bloodwork done. Now of course this is all just my opinion based on what I have read on respected medical research sites, unlike the broscience preached on other forums who just want you to buy their products. It's all about moderation...

Muscleaddict wrote: I have noticed that there is quite a fuss being made about the "dangers" of nolvadex on some other bodybuilding forums, and from what I've noticed the war on nolvadex all seems to come from the moderators who are also sponsors of the forums trying to sell their alternative PCT drugs to use instead of nolvadex and clomid. EF forums in particular. Their moderators condemn anyone planning to use nolvadex, saying it is "poison" and that it will give you cancer, before promptly advising you to take a cocktail of their overpriced 'natural' :side: alternatives.

The dangerous side effects that are preached about are generally liver cirrhosis, fatty liver and liver cancer. Now of course when we are dealing with our health all we are interested in is the FACTS. Yes, nolvadex/tamoxifen has most definitely been associated with those liver issues and in women it also found to increase the chance of uterine cancer. But now to put that into perspective you have to looks at all the variables- how long were those people on nolvadex for? How much were they taking? What else were the taking that could have damaged the liver etc...

When we use Nolvadex for we use 20mg/day for around 1 month during PCT. Sometimes to fight gyno symptoms when they appear. That's it. We don't stay on high doses for ages like women who have breast cancer do. Women who developed cirrhosis/liver cancer that was attributed to the use of nolvadex were all on it for long periods of time, sometimes 3 to 5 years in a for or more before there were complications. Fatty liver is a concern with continuous long term use(years on it daily) of Nolvadex. But these issues are not related to short term use of tamoxifen of a month or 2 like how we use it! I highly doubt there have been any of the before mentioned issues arising out of using nolvadex for PCT.

Since these findings, more clinical trials have been done with Nolvadex specifically on people with preexisting liver issues like hepatitis and cirrhosis to see if tamoxifen therapy can be be safely tolerated by them. I've seen nothing that gives me any reason to stop using nolvadex in PCT and I did quite a bit of searching on various clinical trials sites, medscape and the national library of medicine.

Most interesting to me was a study where a group of men (think it was about 20 guys) who all already had cirrhosis of the liver, were given 20mg Nolvadex a day to treat some breast issues associated with the cirrhosis. None of the men had further liver issues or other bad side effects from the nolvadex and the study concluded that it was safe to use.

The carcinogenic side effects are only a concern with LONG TERM DAILY use. Just about every drug in our bathroom cupboards will increase your risk for some cancer or disease if used daily for years! If you are someone who plan's on using nolvadex for longer than a few months because of gyno, then I would advise doing that under medical supervision or at least getting regular bloodwork done. Now of course this is all just my opinion based on what I have read on respected medical research sites, unlike the broscience preached on other forums who just want you to buy their products. It's all about moderation...

Guys, we seriously need to consider adding an "I am not worthy' smiley the forum so that we can abuse the crap out of it whenever responding to a MA post!!! Great advice as usual mate

Hey thanks for the response. I havent cycled in a few years and I got onto this site and found the information to be some of the best that I have seen on forums over the last 10 years and I am intrigued by doctari's protocol and like the fact that it has been done with proper tracking and bloodwork. I am just anxious due to the fact of tamoxafen being a known carcinogen. When it comes to my health I am extremely careful and if this could potentially cause permanent damage or cancer growth then I would rather be sad and have no sex drive for months instead lol. I was just reading that it actually changes our dna structure and is manufactured by a company that also makes herbacides and perticides. I do understand that a lot of that data has been based on trials of 2-5 years. I am just worried thats all. I think of friends of mine who have cycled for 25 years and probably used there fare share of nolva without any problems though all the information thats out there highlighting the negative effects and what those effects are leave me feeling un easy... If there any other effective protocal to do without the use of nolva? Hcg clomid perhaps arimidex or something? I understand that nolva plays a different role then arim in regards to pct. or maybe Doctari could jump in on this post and put my mind to ease