Need some advise.

Hey Guys. I am a new member 1st time ever posting in one of these forums. I just finished a bulking cycle and I am gonna finish my winny oral in about 2weeks, how am I going to keep most of my gains? my connection said I only have to use pregnyl afterwards? but doesnt seem right to me.

What do you think will be the best to clean up and keep some gains?

Thanx

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what did your bulking cycle look like?? Duration of your cycle?? pregnyl alone wont cut it bro

Hey Snitch

week 1 - 6 dbol 30mg
week 1 - 10 deca 100mg pinned Monday and Thursday
week 1 to 10 sus 250mg pinned Monday and Thursday
week 8 to 12 winny 20mg ED

Yeah i Thought so, after reading the post-cycle-therapy on the site made me understand a lot more clearly. got what I needed for my pct, going clean now for a while maybe a year. but when I do decide to get on another cycle buying my pct first.

Thanx for the help think this is a awesome site

What did your gains look like?

Vexor wrote: Hey Snitch

week 1 - 6 dbol 30mg
week 1 - 10 deca 100mg pinned Monday and Thursday
week 1 to 10 sus 250mg pinned Monday and Thursday
week 8 to 12 winny 20mg ED

Yeah i Thought so, after reading the post-cycle-therapy on the site made me understand a lot more clearly. got what I needed for my pct, going clean now for a while maybe a year. but when I do decide to get on another cycle buying my pct first.

Thanx for the help think this is a awesome site

Tips for future.
Always run the Test longer than the Deca (Deca half life long due to the esther)
100mg Deca is a nice lubricant for the joints, nothing more. 300mg+ for mass.
You should run the Winny for longer than 2 weeks, prior to PCT, as the Sustanon half life is (I think) 36 days...

Haha DBat didn't you just school me on Sustanon saying that it has the Decanoate ester... :lol: Half life is 18 days and 54 days waiting period, same for Nandrolone Decanoate. Decanoate.

I hope that wasnt your first cycle, but anyway...A good pct with clomid,nolva,pregnyl and aromasin will be best for a deca cycle!

Other than that if your an experienced roid user some GH,IGF or GHRP-6 will solidify gains nicely - also upping your calories and taking some supps for cortisol suppression will be good, like a high dose vitamin c,phosphatiylserine etc...

Just google it...

Cheers bro!

Pyroclasm wrote: Haha DBat didn't you just school me on Sustanon saying that it has the Decanoate ester... :lol: Half life is 18 days and 54 days waiting period, same for Nandrolone Decanoate. Decanoate.

Hmmm, that was yEstherDay HAHAAAA. Corny.

It is quite frustrating really. The half-life is different from site to site. I have seen Decanoate shown 8 days to 18 days!!
At the end of the day. Longest esther half-life x 3 = start PCT

I have NO IDEA where I got 36 :oops: It should be between 45-54 days.

DBatDBN wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Haha DBat didn't you just school me on Sustanon saying that it has the Decanoate ester... :lol: Half life is 18 days and 54 days waiting period, same for Nandrolone Decanoate. Decanoate.

Hmmm, that was yEstherDay HAHAAAA. Corny.

It is quite frustrating really. The half-life is different from site to site. I have seen Decanoate shown 8 days to 18 days!!
At the end of the day. Longest esther half-life x 3 = start PCT

I have NO IDEA where I got 36 :oops: It should be between 45-54 days.

In doctari we trust, but nowadays muscleaddicts the guy - so just wait for his reply (if he does)

DBatDBN wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Haha DBat didn't you just school me on Sustanon saying that it has the Decanoate ester... :lol: Half life is 18 days and 54 days waiting period, same for Nandrolone Decanoate. Decanoate.

Hmmm, that was yEstherDay HAHAAAA. Corny.

It is quite frustrating really. The half-life is different from site to site. I have seen Decanoate shown 8 days to 18 days!!
At the end of the day. Longest esther half-life x 3 = start PCT

I have NO IDEA where I got 36 :oops: It should be between 45-54 days.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!! :lol: Dude I did NOT expecting that joke! You gotta warn me next time. Hahahahahahahahaha! :lol:

The Internet is a dark place for a steroid user and that is why I only trust this site. According to the PCT articles the waiting period is 54 days with the longest ester being 18 days.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Gorilla bud. I'll always help if I can but I'm no doctari.

The 3x half-life guideline that we use on this forum for PCT is a very good guideline, but it is obviously not an exact science and there is still quite a bit of room for error if you are megadosing or doing very low doses of AAS.

If you are doing only 250mg/week of testosterone and wait 3x the half-life to start PCT you are waiting too long, but if you are doing 500mg/week then your timing is right. After one half life cycle 500mg of testosterone injected will leave you with 250mg active in your system so using the same waiting time for guys doing double the dose will obviously get your timing off for when your testosterone drops low enough for PCT to be effective. It makes sense- Why should someone doing 1000mg/week and someone doing 300mg a week start PCT at the same time just because the drug half-life is the same? Pretty obvious answer. They shouldn't.

That's why it is best to calculate when to start PCT based on half life AND doses, especially with long esters like deca and EQ where you could end up starting PCT a week earlier or later than what is optimal. Starting PCT a week after your test reaches normal levels can make you feel very depressed and you can lose muscle. But for guys who can't be bothered, 3x half life is a very good estimate based on average doses and that is probably the best guideline one can put together for newbies without a lengthy explanation.

Thanx for all the advice... This was not my 1st cycle but wanting to do this right for now on not all dumb and ignorant like in the past, made some stupid decisions :sick:

had some very nice gains +- 12kg added 4.5cm om biceps 6cm around chest some nice definition in my legs. also dropped some body fat, eating clean and training dirty

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks for the vote of confidence Gorilla bud. I'll always help if I can but I'm no doctari.

The 3x half-life guideline that we use on this forum for PCT is a very good guideline, but it is obviously not an exact science and there is still quite a bit of room for error if you are megadosing or doing very low doses of AAS.

If you are doing only 250mg/week of testosterone and wait 3x the half-life to start PCT you are waiting too long, but if you are doing 500mg/week then your timing is right. After one half life cycle 500mg of testosterone injected will leave you with 250mg active in your system so using the same waiting time for guys doing double the dose will obviously get your timing off for when your testosterone drops low enough for PCT to be effective. It makes sense- Why should someone doing 1000mg/week and someone doing 300mg a week start PCT at the same time just because the drug half-life is the same? Pretty obvious answer. They shouldn't.

That's why it is best to calculate when to start PCT based on half life AND doses, especially with long esters like deca and EQ where you could end up starting PCT a week earlier or later than what is optimal. Starting PCT a week after your test reaches normal levels can make you feel very depressed and you can lose muscle. But for guys who can't be bothered, 3x half life is a very good estimate based on average doses and that is probably the best guideline one can put together for newbies without a lengthy explanation.

I have been thinking about this for a while now. So if you use anything far off 500mg a week then it is probably best to use a PCT calculator. My question is what if you take 500mg Test per week but you split it into two shot instead of one? Surely this will also affect your PCT start time by a day or two? I have looked at this PCT calculator pct.befit4free.net/index.php but I can't add that I pin Monday mornings and Thursday nights. Tried to input pinning fequency of 3.5 days but it doesn't recognise this.

Pyroclasm wrote: I have been thinking about this for a while now. So if you use anything far off 500mg a week then it is probably best to use a PCT calculator. My question is what if you take 500mg Test per week but you split it into two shot instead of one? Surely this will also affect your PCT start time by a day or two? I have looked at this PCT calculator pct.befit4free.net/index.php but I can't add that I pin Monday mornings and Thursday nights. Tried to input pinning fequency of 3.5 days but it doesn't recognise this.

I wouldn't worry about a day or two. You're never going to be able to calculate exactly to the day when is best to start PCT because the half life of a steroid is not fixed and can change slightly depending on various factors like your metabolism, oils used in the solution, even injeciton site.

If you are running orals as a bridge to PCT then get timing right is even less important as long as you don't start PCT too early, since the winny or anavar or whatever will keep you anabolic.

Just as long as guys realise that a 1000mg injection of test will take one extra half life cycle longer than a 500mg test injection to drop to the same blood levels of test.