Pct and Test Replacement

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28 Sep 2012 16:08 #123911 by Nivek
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Hi guys,i went to for a check up and my doctor diagnosed me with low test levels,He gave me a shot of test yesterday and i will have to go every month for three months.I"m not quite sure about the amount he gave me but will ask next time.I was planning on doing a ten week cycle of test cyp 500mg per week and 30mg dbols per day for first 4 weeks.My question is do i need to pct after the ten weeks seeing that i already get the injections from the doctor?

This would be my first cycle.

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28 Sep 2012 16:14 #123912 by Roidrat07
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My guess is that you would still need PCT to try and bring your testosterone levels up to the level it was before you started AAS, despite the fact that you already have low T. Maybe that makes it even more important to do PCT.
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28 Sep 2012 16:18 #123913 by p1et
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Pct would be pointless, you can only pct after the test the doc is giving you clears your system. I'm not a doctor but giving you 3months worth of test is just going to mess up your natural test levels more.

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28 Sep 2012 17:18 #123922 by jackrabbit1
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Thats the loading for Nebido.
Did he put you on TRT? If so there is no need for PCT - just keep up the Nebido schedule.
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28 Sep 2012 17:33 #123924 by Nivek
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Yes TRT is correct ,and thanks

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28 Sep 2012 17:53 #123927 by Muscleaddict
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When did you last use steroids before the diagnosis from your doc? TRT is for life. Quite a drastic step from your doc... How old are you?

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28 Sep 2012 19:47 #123937 by Nivek
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I've never used before,only the usual test supplements.I"m 34 years of age.

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28 Sep 2012 20:50 #123959 by GregB1
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MA if his test from the doc clears and he starts PCT3, even though he has not used AAS could it help bring up his natural test levels or would it just be pointless?

With hard work and dedication you can achieve anything!

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29 Sep 2012 11:12 #124004 by Muscleaddict
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TRT can improve your quality of life in most cases where it is the only option. But it is a a very drastic step to take if the patient is not aware of all the implications of a life long treatment program like TRT, and the complications that can arise. Things can get very complicated when a few years down the line your TRT dose is giving you half the free testosterone levels that it was initially, and then you have to up the dose and have estrogen issues. Then you have to start taking an AI and a year or 2 later you have to double your AI dose to control the estrogen. These are common problems that guys run into. Obviously not everyone but just have a look at TRT forums and you'll see the hell some guys go through.

@GregB1 PCT3 will most likely bring his testosterone levels to the normal healthy range but it will probably be temporary, depending on what is causing the hypogonadism in the first place.

TRT is jumping the gun a bit after only one blood test in my opinion. There is always room for error and another blood test could possibly give very different results and many things can effect your test levels. Many doctors know very little about TRT and your endocrine system. You should always get a referal to an endocrinologist.

I have a friend who was trying to conceive but his doctor tested him and found that he had low testosterone. The idiot doctor gave him a shot of depotrone (test cyp)!!!!!?? Seriously, how can a doctor not know that exogenous testosterone will negatively affect fertility? :ohmy:
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29 Sep 2012 11:21 #124006 by INCUBUS
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+ 1 thanks, this post should be somewhere for everyone to see that thinks its a good idea to stay on test permanently !!

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29 Sep 2012 13:33 #124019 by Nivek
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i was planning on doing my firt cycle ,but will not go forward.i will rather wait until the 3 months have passed an then go for bloodwork again.Do you think i must do a PCT before bloodwork or should i wait a month before i go for bloods.

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29 Sep 2012 15:26 #124023 by Muscleaddict
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You really should be talking to an endo about this. What is your plan for TRT? If you are on it you must stay on it. Not sure if I understand you correctly but doing 3 months of nebido shots and then stopping and hoping things will improve will do ZERO good for you.

If you decide to stay on TRT then there is no point for PCT. If you don't plan on staying on you should find another doctor because your current doc should have explained how TRT works.
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29 Sep 2012 21:41 #124037 by Nivek
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Muscleaddict ,I think i will talk to a endo and see how things workout.
Thanks to all the guys for your input i really appreciate your help,awesome forum

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10 Oct 2012 14:47 #125071 by Snitch
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@ Nivek

what made you go for bloodwork to check your test levels? were you experiencing side effects that are associated with low testosterone levels??

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10 Oct 2012 18:15 #125095 by Nivek
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I'Ve read up on low test and just went to see whether mine was low or not. I was experiencing some of the sides of low test.It has been going on for a while,but it was only after my research that i thaught it might be low test related.

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12 Oct 2012 11:20 #125341 by Snitch
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what sides of low test were you experiencing bro??

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13 Oct 2012 06:23 #125422 by Nivek
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I did not have to save as often as i use to,"My beard not my legs,LOL".and had loss of libido.
Goining to check my levels was only to confirm what i was expierencing.

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13 Oct 2012 11:16 #125427 by ibanez
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Muscleaddict, you describe a bleak picture regarding TRT ..

I'm 47 and currently on 175mg test cyp, once a week for the past 3 month. Work out regularly and it has made a huge difference in my overall quality of life (subjective). Last time I had blood work done was when I turned 40. My test was below 'normal' back then.

(not sure if primary or secondary .. but does it matter?)

What you said about test levels reaching half free test values over time caught my attention. What causes this? I mean the whole point of TRT is to restore a 'normal' test level in an aging body?

I've been considering adding a low dosage of nandrolone (deca ester) for a few months to see if the collagen synthesis (?) will be of any value.

Have read that test inhibits collagen synthesis. Nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syntheis.

Appreciate your comments.

Thanks..

ps: what blood panels should I be requesting when doing subsequent blood works?

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14 Oct 2012 14:43 #125460 by Muscleaddict
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ibanez wrote: Muscleaddict, you describe a bleak picture regarding TRT ..

I'm 47 and currently on 175mg test cyp, once a week for the past 3 month. Work out regularly and it has made a huge difference in my overall quality of life (subjective). Last time I had blood work done was when I turned 40. My test was below 'normal' back then.

(not sure if primary or secondary .. but does it matter?)

What you said about test levels reaching half free test values over time caught my attention. What causes this? I mean the whole point of TRT is to restore a 'normal' test level in an aging body?

I've been considering adding a low dosage of nandrolone (deca ester) for a few months to see if the collagen synthesis (?) will be of any value.

Have read that test inhibits collagen synthesis. Nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syntheis.

Appreciate your comments.


Thanks..

ps: what blood panels should I be requesting when doing subsequent blood works?


I wasn't trying to paint a bleak picture for men who need TRT because it can be hugely beneficial to the quality of life in most hypogonadal men. I'm just saying that complications can arise that many men aren't aware of when they make the life changing decision to start TRT . Lots of things can cause low testosterone and in some cases where TRT is prescribed other solutions could have helped. TRT is simply treating a sympton, not finding a cure.

For those who can't afford a very good medical aid, it can get very expensive when they need to go on arimidex permanently to keep estrogen levels down. Look I don't really want to give advice that should be coming from an endo since that is what they are there for and they are the experts but controlling estrogen often becomes an issue on TRT but I'll try to help you out where I can.

Endogenous testosterone is released in pulses and has a very short half life so natural levels fluctuate a lot throughout the day. Whereas an TRT you permanently have elevated testosterone, starting with a big peak in levels post injection which slowly tapers off until your next injection. This is very different from your body's natural testosterone homeostasis so exogenous testosterone will never be able to perfectly mimic the biological effect of natural test.

If you are putting higher than normal levels of test into your body then your body will do what it can to counteract that, but increasing SHBG and estradiol conversion and I'm sure other mechanisms that I'm not aware of. As to why TRT doses can become less effective over time, I don't know. But it's probably all to do with your endocrine system trying to reach homeostasis in an artificially created hormonal environment.

Adding deca to your TRT to help with possible but unverified collagen synthesis inhibition seems a bit drastic. TRT is for life and you want to be taking the least drugs necessary to feel healthy, horny and happy. Theres a good chance you will just be complicating things further and risk screwing up your libido. There are conflicting studies on exogenous testosterone's effects on collagen synthesis at different doses and there is no widely agreed answer in the medical world. Going on deca indefinitely based on a 'maybe'

Your doc will know what to blood tests should be done for your TRT. It's pretty standard, and at your age good to test your PSA as well.

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14 Oct 2012 15:03 #125462 by Muscleaddict
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@ibanez There's a pretty good men's health and TRT forum >HERE< .

Dr Michael Scally is a regular poster there and if you do a search you'll probably find a lot of answers to questions you might have.

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15 Oct 2012 07:49 #125485 by Snitch
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@ MA

Hi bro..earlier in this convo you mention that the doctor gave him a shot of depotrone..which will negatively affect his fertility? I read somewhere that alota doctors actually inject test into sterile men to get the sperm count up? Test is also responsiblr for spermproduction..but what how does the cyp make him sterile then..does it depend on your doeses etc??

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15 Oct 2012 08:52 #125489 by Snitch
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Sorry for this massive post guys..but its just something i found on TRT..what you guys think??


Gentlemen, I am going to let you in on the secret of living a long life full of happiness, health, vitality and drive. But first, I want you to do me a favor. Think of all the old fellas that you know. Think of all the old fellas you see in the gym. The old fellas in the gym belong to two categories. In one category, you have the walking train-wrecks. They have big fat beer bellies or they look like their about to break a hip as they sit on the thigh abductor machine. The other type of old fella, type 2, is the enviable type. This is the type that has low body fat, above average muscle mass and a good and healthy outlook. This is the type of old fella you look at and think “wow, that old fella is in great shape. I hope I look like that when I’m older“.

Guess what, friends….

Those old fellas who are in tremendous shape didn’t get their by “dedication” or by eating chicken and rice or by having “good genetics”. They got there by taking their destiny into their own hands. Rather than wither away like the rest of the old farts, the “young in spirit and body” old fellas got their by manipulating their hormone balance.

You see, there is one very important hormone for men. This hormone is called testosterone.

Certainly you have all heard of testosterone and you have most certainly heard about what a killer drug it is and how your dick will fall off if you take it.

So rather than take it, most of us just suffer. And believe me friends, suffer is the most appropriate word. Testosterone levels are falling worldwide at astronomical rates. That isn’t my opinion, even though it is easily observed with my own two eyeballs, that is a scientific fact.

Fret not friends, because there is an answer to the epidemic of low testosterone.

You simply do not have to grow old pitifully. You can take a bite of an apple fallen from the tree of life and stay young in body and mind until your last days.

The cure, friends, for this withering killer, is called synthetic testosterone and is available to you 100% legally by your kindly, local Doctor. It’s called Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

It can also be called the fountain of youth, the tree of life.

How can you tell if you have low testosterone? Well, if you are alive today it is a certainty that you have lower testosterone levels than an older man.

Recently, I convinced a good friend of mine to go get his testosterone levels checked. He simply did not believe me that he may have low testosterone levels. He thought his doctor would laugh him out of the office. He claimed “The Doctor’s gonna look at me and laugh. I’m 34 years old but I look 24, I’m in good shape, I’m not fat“.

My response was “If you are alive today you have low levels“.

Eventually he went to go get checked, along with his father, and guess what? His levels were incredibly low. His levels were so low that his father, who is 20+ years older than him, had HIGHER levels than he AND his father had low levels also.

How do you know if you might have low testosterone?
•If you are alive today you almost certainly have low levels.
•If you experience muscle loss or inability to gain muscle.
•If you experience fat gain.
•If you are fatigued or have sleep problems.
•If you have gynecomastia (aka bitch tits).
•If you experience hot flashes.
•If you have night sweats.
•If you have low sex drive and weak erections.
•If you are irritable.
•If you are depressed.
•If you experience hair loss.
•If you have memory problems.
•If you have memory problems (ha).

I’ll bet good money that a lot of those symptoms are very familiar to everyone reading this. The above symptoms, friends, are what it means to stay natural. When you say you want to stay natural, you are saying you want to do nothing about these symptoms even though they can be fixed.

How do you fix low levels of testosterone?

Easy. It’s called Testosterone Replacement Therapy or TRT.

You go to your local Doctor and you say “Doc, I have low T. Fix me up“. Your kindly Doctor will prescribe the necessary ingredients to get you fixed up and feeling like a teenager again. He will monitor and check your hormone levels and blood levels as a precaution. You will be in the hands of a professional.

Your Doc will prescribe you one of two options:
1.Injectable testosterone to be injected into the glutes or the shoulders once every week to every two weeks.
2.A testosterone cream that you rub into your skin everyday.

How will you feel if you supplement with testosterone?

In a word: great. In two words: fucking great.

You can expect better recovery from intense exercise and less soreness. You can expect enhanced muscle growth. You can expect erections like when you were a teenager. You can expect to feel like a fucking man. As simple as that.

Now, I know we have all been told about the horrors of using testosterone. I have some good news for you friends, and that good news is this: Those slobs telling you how bad using synthetic testosterone is are one of two things:
1.Liars.
2.Fat/Skinny/Skinny-Fat pieces of shit themselves and have no idea about the reality.

Of course, they do make their anti-testosterone propaganda highly believable and scary so let’s look at some of the reasons you may wish to stay “natural”.

Let’s look at some of the reasons you may wish to not use Testosterone Replacement Therapy:

Excuse #1: “I want to stay natural“.

Before I expose the fallacy of staying natural, ask yourself this important question: Why? Why would you possibly want to stay natural, knowing that modern science can give you a drink from the fountain of youth? Knowing that, instead of withering and decaying, you can age tremendously and gracefully. Knowing that you can have the testosterone levels of a man instead of a little boy.

Have you answered this question and decided that you still wish to stay natural?

Ok. Now I will tell you the fallacy of your argument.

YOU ARE NOT NATURAL.

You have not been natural for one minute of your entire life.

If you were natural you would have grown up in the forest, eating the animals that you killed and the grubbage that you could find.

Instead, your mother drank soda pops while pregnant with you, fed you soy baby formula and you grew up in comfort eating genetically modified and hormonized foods.

Go to your kitchen right now and look at the ingredients in your food. Where do you suppose you can find all those ingredient together naturally?

Your milk and beef is modified with hormones which cause women to act like men and men to act like women, your fruits and vegetables are sprayed with pesticides and herbicides, your water is laced with estrogen enhancing chemicals and almost all food and drink is stored in plastic which seeps estrogen enhancing chemicals.

You see, you’re pretty far from natural. Unless you have never eaten a cheeseburger, never had a bottle of water, never eaten a salad, never heated up food in a plastic container, never drank a soda pop, and never eaten soy (which is an ingredient in all boxed food) you are not natural. You have been eating hormones every single day of your life. All the food you have been eating for you entire life has ESTROGENIC EFFECTS.

There is no such thing as natural. There is only advanced deterioration. When you are saying “I want to stay natural” what you are really saying is “I want to rot“.

Excuse #2 “I don’t want to be dependent on TRT for the rest of my life“.

There is a common fear of being dependent on hormones “to function” for the rest of your life.

Would you like to know why that is a silly fear?

Ok, I will tell you.

It is a silly fear because every single man alive needs TRT. The one’s who do not take it simply suffer in silence. The ones who do take it know the tremendous positive effects it has and when it is gone miss the shit out of it.

Every man needs it, the older you get the more you need it. You don’t want to be dependent on it but that doesn’t mean shit, you are dependent on it and will be forever no matter how you feel about it.

Testosterone levels are falling worldwide, by 1% per year each year.


“A man born in 1970 had about 20 percent less testosterone at age 35 than a man of his father’s generation at the same age.”

That’s for a man born in 1970. A man born in 1980 will be worse, a man born in 1990 is half-girl already and a boy born in 2000 is probably going to be wearing pigtails and dresses when (s)he grows up.

Just because you aren’t taking TRT right now doesn’t mean you don’t need it, or that you shouldn’t be taking it – you are just suffering the consequence of low testosterone. You need it now and you need it forever. It’s already happened and you are already dependent on it for what should be normal testosterone levels. That, friends, is the reality of the world we live in.

Excuse #3 “I have naturally high T“.

Sure, some men do. Until they reach a certain age. But most of the men reading this do not have naturally high levels and that’s because most men in general do not have high levels and that’s because worldwide testosterone levels are falling at an astronomical rate. It’s pure delusion to think living in a completely unnatural environment and ingesting estrogen enhancing chemicals daily will let you keep high levels.

A conservative age where men need to to take matters in their own hands is 30. My own personal opinion is that levels plummet between the ages of 25-27. In fact, there are most certainly teenagers alive today that need Testosterone replacement therapy. This is the world we live in. Men are becoming feminized at astronomical rates and women are becoming masculinized. You think somehow this worldwide trend has spared you? It hasn’t.

Excuse #4 “I want to up my testosterone naturally“.

Good luck. How do you suppose you can up it naturally in an unnatural environment? Start eating non-genetically modified food and non-hormonized meat and non-pesticided veggies? Ok, that’s a good start but are you going to do this forever? Where do you find these foods you can be 100% sure aren’t estrogenic? How can you be sure that truly natural food will be available in the future? Family farms that produce natural food are going the way of the Dodo bird. Corporate mega farms are almost certainly going to be the only option in the future, and those mega-farms don’t give two cents about giving you “natural” food.

And how exactly do you plan to reverse a lifetime of abuse?

The simple answer is that you can’t. Obviously, natural methods do have their benefits and should be practiced, but they work only on a small scale compared to what TRT can do for you.

Excuse #5 “I eat paleo, my testosterone levels are definitely high“.

For those of you who do not know what paleo is, it’s a delusional diet where you eat foods supposedly only found in the paleolithic era. The followers of the paleo diet think it’s the holy grail and the cure for all ails.

The paleo diet doesn’t work for two reasons:

1) The same as listed above, you can’t naturally recover from a lifetime of unnatural abuse. If you have eaten unnatural foods through your most important developmental stages (teenage years) you are messed up for life. You cannot recover because you do not have the proper hormone balance anymore, maybe you never did in the first place, and what levels you do have drop dramatically after the age of 25 or so.

2) Last time I looked at the calender it didn’t say 10,000 bc. Today is today, you don’t live in the past unless you’re mentally unstable. You’ve got to make the best of what you can do today, and today we do not have any of the same food as in the paleolithic era. But we do have modern scientific miracles like synthetic testosterone.

Excuse #6 “Testosterone gives you roid rage and shrinks your dick and kills your sex drive and makes you less of a man“.

If testosterone is so evil to you it is probably best to do nothing about the problem.

For all of the non Chicken-shits who aren’t deathly afraid of testosterone I will tell you what it really does.

First of all, a Doctor prescribed dose is going to be pretty low. It’s going to be very low compared to a bodybuilding dose. It’s simply going to bring your levels to where they should be in the first place. It’s going to make you feel better, it’s going to make you healthier, it’y going to make you vibrant, it’s going to make you recover better and faster and, gasp, it’s going to make you more of a man.

But doesn’t test shrink your dick and kill your sex drive?

One would really have to be an idiot to think this. Think of a naturally high testosterone male. What comes to mind? Heavy muscle mass, no-bullshit attitude, and a sex maniac. Guess what, that’s what synthetic testosterone does to you – it increases your sex drive, it increases your muscle mass, and you have no tolerance for bullshit. Some call it roid rage, but it is simply not putting up with nonsense.

But wait a second, I heard it shrinks your dick and makes you impotent.

No. Testosterone can and will shrink your testicles if you abuse it but here is something you won’t hear on the nightly news: Testosterone can make your dick bigger. Literally and figuratively. You see, testosterone engorges the muscles with blood, when you get an erection your muscle fills with more blood and, tada, becomes bigger.

Excuse #7 “Testosterone is a killer and will give you cancer and a heart attack“.

Wrong again. Testosterone is healthy for you, does not increase risk of prostate cancer and is not bad for your heart.

Testosterone is the key to male vitality. To be scared of testosterone is to be scared of the boogey-man. If you’re scared of testosterone you are literally scared of nothing. It is entirely possible that if you are scared of testosterone you are scared of success.

Excuse #8 “I Don’t Want to Use Drugs“.

I guess if you get a headache you don’t use an aspirin, you just suffer through it huh?

Most people don’t want to use drugs, but you’ve got to make the best of a bad situation.

Personally, I would prefer to have naturally high levels for the rest of my life and never have to worry about any of it. Unfortunately, I don’t live in fantasy world where that’s an option. I live in the real world and I take real steps to deal with real problems.

What is the next step?

Go to the Doctor. Go to 5 Doctors if you have to. Fix the problem. You do not have to rot with age. You do not have to grow fatter by the year. You do not have to grow weaker by the year. You do not have to be shackled by the testosterone reducing environment. That is a choice you make. You can take your destiny into your very own hands.

Growing old naturally is the worst choice you could make. At 25 years old, or 27 years old, or 30 years old, or 35 years old it is time to get tested, checked and fixed. 35+ years old gentlemen should not walk to the Doctor, they should run. If you have low hormone levels, and most readers certainly do, the only side effects of TRT are positive.

The Doctor will check your levels and prescribe what is needed to you. The testosterone given to TRT patients is either a gel that you rub into your skin or an intramuscular injection. And if you are going without it, friend, you are suffering. Get to the Doctor and at the very least get checked. You will probably be surprised at how low your levels are.

Easy, peasy Japaneasy and everybody’s happy.

-Victor Pride

PS – Fellas, I got nothing to gain from this post. A post like this won’t make me any friends with those brainwashed anti-testosterone freaks infesting the internet. Fuck them. Let those fucking zombies rot, BOLD & DETERMINED is for winners who wish to be strong, bold, and be the best. If you want to the the top dog in your world, you’ve got to have the hormone balance to back it up. It’s about taking your destiny into your own hands, friend.

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15 Oct 2012 10:44 #125500 by Muscleaddict
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Bro if you're gonna copy and paste something like that rather make a new thread. That post honestly holds no value because a lot of it is just some broscience bullshit opinions which is exactly what I was trying to steer people away from. TRT can be a wonderful solution but people need to hear the facts of the pros and cons.

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Hi bro..earlier in this convo you mention that the doctor gave him a shot of depotrone..which will negatively affect his fertility? I read somewhere that alota doctors actually inject test into sterile men to get the sperm count up? Test is also responsiblr for spermproduction..but what how does the cyp make him sterile then..does it depend on your doeses etc??

Thanks bro :)


Where did you read that crap? I don't think we are on the same internet :lol: . Testosterone is needed for normal sperm production but your natural testosterone does not function the same way as exogenous test injections. Injecting testosterone will tell your pituitary gland to stop stop producing FSH which is the hormone that tells your testicles to make sperm. Finished and klaar.
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15 Oct 2012 12:40 #125523 by Snitch
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hahaha..its just what i read under a infertility article bro..said doc inject test which increases your sperm production..mayb only for a short while or what?? a mate of myne got on some test and his sperm count went up big time..and then froze some for incase..so mayb it "spikes" your sperm for a few days?? no idea..but yea i here where you coming from bro..understand your opinion..makes alota sense :) maybe along with the test injection they add in FSH and LH injections as well..or some HCG?

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15 Oct 2012 13:01 #125524 by Muscleaddict
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Your friend is talking nonsense. More cum initially after starting test shots doesn't mean more sperm.

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