pct2 and libido ?

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21 Jan 2013 23:51 #131869 by MASSMONSTA
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hi guys,

so clomid is used to get the test up. Hcg is used for more or less the same purpose but stimulates the hormones and could be used for testicular atrophy. Nolva is used for gyno right? Im not gyno prone at all even when on anaps so My question on pct is.....

Could i possibly only use clomid for a extended 2nd week and hcg for my pct seeing that im not gyno prone at all?

I stopped my nolva 15 days into pct and also stopped my hcg 10 shots(1ml insulin syringe) into pct due to some idiot that took my goodies out of the fridge and forgot to put back.

Im experiencing libido issues like not getting horny as often or as usual and my nuts are hanging low at times. Im considering doing a clomid and hcg pct all over again. Any help and advice from u guys will be greatly appreciated. Thanx

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22 Jan 2013 07:27 #131871 by Empire
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kessar isn't for cynosure bud, its a serm. which is a selective estrogen receptor modulator so it is in the same class of drug as clomid,it will boost your test. levels and is a vital point of your pct. I would redoubt your whole pct from clomid to hcg and then kessar to follow like the pct is set out.

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22 Jan 2013 12:14 #131888 by Muscleaddict
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You've heard how after a steroid cycle your HTPA is shutdown (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular axis). All three, your hypothalamus, pituitary gland and testes need to recover after being shutdown and PCT drugs target all three. HCG takes care of the testes part and clomid/nolva the hypothalamus and pituitary.

Your brain's hypothalamus sends GNRH to your pituitary to stimulate LH production so that you can make testosterone. Enter Clomid. Clomid binds to receptors at the hypothalamus acting as a wakeup call to restart GNRH production after this process has been on pause during your AAS cycle. Then what Clomid does that Nolvadex sucks at is it resensitises your pituitary cells response to the GNRH hormone.

Then comes Nolvadex's role. Both Clomid and Nolva will stimulate the release of LH which in turn will stimulate testosterone production, but nolvadex is more effective at this. A study comparing the 2 found that 20mg Nolvadex increases LH and test production as much as 150mg Clomid does. They also both block your estrogen receptors but nolvadex is better at this as well. Clomid acts as both a mild estrogen and anto-estrogen.
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22 Jan 2013 12:54 - 22 Jan 2013 12:54 #131894 by Oupa
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I have buds running Nolva (20mg) from day 1 of their cycle straihgt through the cycle, and then clomid 7 days and again nolva for 3 weeks for pct.....

Kak idea or not ?
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22 Jan 2013 13:00 #131896 by Muscleaddict
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Sas wrote: I have buds running Nolva (20mg) from day 1 of their cycle straihgt through the cycle, and then clomid 7 days and again nolva for 3 weeks for pct.....

Kak idea or not ?


Running nolva right through your cycle is old school and outdated. It's used to prevent gyno but is not as effective as an AI and running nolvadex for a few months has health risks as well. It is liver toxic and can cause eye problems as well as being a carcinogenic. Taking it long term drastically increases your chance of developing fatty liver disease. But note that side effects like these are only associated with long term use so using it for a month for PCT is not a problem or to help with tapering off letro/adex.
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22 Jan 2013 13:00 #131897 by gab
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too hard on yhe liver.

If working on body and character doesnt cost you something its woth noting. If criticism is all that proceed out of your mouth then know that is how you feel about yourself and depicts the health of your soul.
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22 Jan 2013 13:14 #131900 by mike123
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Muscleaddict wrote:

Sas wrote: I have buds running Nolva (20mg) from day 1 of their cycle straihgt through the cycle, and then clomid 7 days and again nolva for 3 weeks for pct.....

Kak idea or not ?


Running nolva right through your cycle is old school and outdated. It's used to prevent gyno but is not as effective as an AI and running nolvadex for a few months has health risks as well. It is liver toxic and can cause eye problems as well as being a carcinogenic. Taking it long term drastically increases your chance of developing fatty liver disease. But note that side effects like these are only associated with long term use so using it for a month for PCT is not a problem or to help with tapering off letro/adex.


hahahahaaa..ja Oupa jy is outdated.....moenie worry nie ek leer ook baie by die jonk oaks B)

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22 Jan 2013 13:35 - 22 Jan 2013 13:37 #131905 by Oupa
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Hahaha, ons sal maar moet aanpas, die old school het goed gewerk op sy dag ;)

*PS - Ek sal maar weer vir Admin email en my nick verander na * Oupa toe *
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22 Jan 2013 13:42 #131906 by Pyroclasm
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Ek sal ve oom oom se eerste karma gee as oom dit doen! :lol:

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22 Jan 2013 13:43 - 22 Jan 2013 13:43 #131907 by Pyroclasm
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Muscleaddict wrote: You've heard how after a steroid cycle your HTPA is shutdown (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular axis). All three, your hypothalamus, pituitary gland and testes need to recover after being shutdown and PCT drugs target all three. HCG takes care of the testes part and clomid/nolva the hypothalamus and pituitary.

Your brain's hypothalamus sends GNRH to your pituitary to stimulate LH production so that you can make testosterone. Enter Clomid. Clomid binds to receptors at the hypothalamus acting as a wakeup call to restart GNRH production after this process has been on pause during your AAS cycle. Then what Clomid does that Nolvadex sucks at is it resensitises your pituitary cells response to the GNRH hormone.

Then comes Nolvadex's role. Both Clomid and Nolva will stimulate the release of LH which in turn will stimulate testosterone production, but nolvadex is more effective at this. A study comparing the 2 found that 20mg Nolvadex increases LH and test production as much as 150mg Clomid does. They also both block your estrogen receptors but nolvadex is better at this as well. Clomid acts as both a mild estrogen and anto-estrogen.


I get it! I finally get it!! We need to make this a sticky or add it to the PCT articles. Such a simple but perfect explanation. +1
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22 Jan 2013 13:46 #131908 by Oupa
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Daars my avatar gesort :) gou vir Admin mail.

Jy het my so gedoop jou clown !! ;)
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22 Jan 2013 15:40 #131923 by FatBoy
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I'm also suffering with poor libido despite following PCT 2 down to the T. Without hi jacking the thread, what body asthetic changes result from PCT? Would just being patient and waiting it out be an option to consider or should I just repeat full PCT?

Great post MA!!

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23 Jan 2013 12:58 #131957 by mike123
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FatBoy wrote: I'm also suffering with poor libido despite following PCT 2 down to the T. Without hi jacking the thread, what body asthetic changes result from PCT? Would just being patient and waiting it out be an option to consider or should I just repeat full PCT?

Great post MA!!


Give it a little time dude ...try some ZMA / Tribulis
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23 Jan 2013 18:55 #131970 by FatBoy
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Thanks Mike, picked up some DAA and ZMA - will see if it grows ;)
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