What to do after PCT?

Hey Guys,

I’m sadly coming to the end of my cycle ( anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/33-cycle-7 ), and will be doing doc’s PCT no3. I will post my cycle log up when everything is done.

Now that I have made great gains, I want to keep as much as possible, and start training (not cycling) for more gains ASAP. I know that Deca shuts you down like a mother, which makes me nervous to train like a demon after PCT.

I have been looking at everything from going straight back onto another cycle (don’t worry I won’t), to other suggestions like HGH and over the counter test boosters. To be honest, there is so much conflicting information out there that I don’t know what to believe anymore. It’s a complicated question to answer, because there are so many variables to consider (including some of the posters risk appetite).

In terms of training and supplementation post PCT, what can I do to make my hard work pay off? I really don’t mind putting in the work, but I don’t want to break down muscle that doesn’t have the means to rebuild, causing me to loose.

In an ideal world where I didn’t have to take time off, my immediate goal would have been to cut after bulking on deca. I realize this isn’t realistic, so instead, I’ll cut in a couple of months when I know that my natural test levels are stable enough (and pref after getting bloodwork done again). So my short term goal after PCT, would be to up my test levels, keep my gains, and then transition into making some lean gains. What would be my best approach after my PCT?

After PCT consider Clen or 3F ...they can be used to cut while at least not becoming catabolic ....if u want to go nati the ZMA tribulis Daspartic acid Creatine rout but dont expect miracles as they are more hype than anything ...still train hard and diet well ...

Best approach would be to feed and keep feeding those hard earned muscle. Try not to fall into a "slump" (post cycle depression) and get demotivated.

Keep cals just above maintenance and keep workout intensity the same.

Best thing is to keep positive and be patient till your next cycle.

If you have cash to spend then look at Peptides or even hGH but i have found if you going to run Peptides properly to take full advantage of them, the cost are almost the same as just running hGH.

Just a thought.

@mike123 - Am I understanding correctly that Clen or 3F after my PCT will enable me to cut straight away while keeping my gains?

@Fakey_AK - I'm willing to look into peptides, provided that it will do the trick. What would you recommend?

Hard work isn't in short supply

I personally have never tried peptides so i can't really say yes it will do the trick but from what i have read and researched so far people are getting results.

Most common peptide cycle seems to be GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 w/o dac.

But there are a few members on here that have, so I'm sure they will chime in and MUscleAddict also has a lot of knowledge on the Peptide front.

yep u can read up in the articles section above Clen stops u from going catabolic and 3f actually claims to be slightly anabolic ...read the docs post on 3f ...

Peptides. Best bang for buck is CJC1295 w/o DAC + GHRP2 twice a day (morning and pre/post workout) and CJC1295 w/o DAC + ipamorelin before bed. GHRP2 is less than half the price of ipamorelin and releases much more growth hormone, but it is not ideal before bed because it can be harder to get to sleep and it'll give you an appetite. Ipamorelin should improve your sleep. That combo should be under half the price of a kit of GH.

GHRP6 will give you the biggest increase in appetite. It releases about the same amount of GH as ipamorelin, but less than GHRP2. GHRP2 and GHRP6 generally are the same price wherever you get it. Can't be specific about prices though, as per the rules.

mike123 wrote: yep u can read up in the articles section above Clen stops u from going catabolic and 3f actually claims to be slightly anabolic ...read the docs post on 3f ...

Clen is slightly anti-catabolic. Slightly. It will not stop you from going catabolic like a DHT during your bridge for example.

If I can get my grubby little hands on enough I'm going to give IGF a try.

Rhino wrote: If I can get my grubby little hands on enough I'm going to give IGF a try.

That would be ideal yep. I'm also very keen.

This is a really interesting thread!

So it seems like peptides are the way to go then. I'm on day 97 of my current cycle as per my initial post btw. Would it be a good idea to start while I am on my cycle? Some posts that I have read seems to suggest that this is beneficial.

In terms of dosages and duration with

CJC1295 w/o DAC + GHRP2 twice a day (morning and pre/post workout) and CJC1295 w/o DAC + ipamorelin before bed.

, what is recommended?

Also, what effects can I expect (taking my current cycle and PCT into consideration)?

Muscleaddict wrote: Peptides. Best bang for buck is CJC1295 w/o DAC + GHRP2 twice a day (morning and pre/post workout) and CJC1295 w/o DAC + ipamorelin before bed. GHRP2 is less than half the price of ipamorelin and releases much more growth hormone, but it is not ideal before bed because it can be harder to get to sleep and it'll give you an appetite. Ipamorelin should improve your sleep. That combo should be under half the price of a kit of GH.

GHRP6 will give you the biggest increase in appetite. It releases about the same amount of GH as ipamorelin, but less than GHRP2. GHRP2 and GHRP6 generally are the same price wherever you get it. Can't be specific about prices though, as per the rules.

Sorry, don't want to hijack the thread but a quick question.

GHRP-2 from what i have read doesn't increase appetite and doesn't raise progesterone as ghrp-6. Is this true.

And if so, will a cycle of GHRP-2 and cjc-1295 w/o dac at 100mcg 3x a day be ok or is ipamorelin still better for night time.

How old are you and what do you weigh? Work on 1mcg/KG of bodyweight for each peptide. Guys over 30 will get the most noticeable results from the peptides. Wrinkles fade, your skin looks younger, hair thickens and all the other anti-aging effects associated with GH. The peptides will raise your IGF1 levels to where they were when you were a teenager so you recover faster after workouts, injuries heal faster and it is easier to maintain lower body fat without losing muscle.

Fakey_AK wrote: GHRP-2 from what i have read doesn't increase appetite and doesn't raise progesterone as ghrp-6. Is this true.

And if so, will a cycle of GHRP-2 and cjc-1295 w/o dac at 100mcg 3x a day be ok or is ipamorelin still better for night time.

GHRP2 does increase appetite but not as much as GHRP6. It is prolactin, not progesterone that GHRP6 and GHRP2 raise, but at saturation dose it is negligable. I also worried about that at first but the effects on prolactin are overrated. You can expect a bit of water retention like you get with GH.

Thanks Muscleaddict, let me get a quote.

I'm 27, 91kg, 13%bf

If I start using this, will this allow me to cut after my PCT, or should I hold on for a while and just maintain to wait for my natural test to get back up?

So is this what my plan would look like?

Morning: 90mg CJC1295 (w/o DAC) and 90mg GHRP2
Post Workout: 90mg CJC1295 (w/o DAC) and 90mg GHRP2
Evening: 90mg CJC1295 (w/o DAC) and 90mg ipamorelin

Or did you mean 1mg/kg/per day?

So I should benefit ...no muscle gain though ?

sorry for the jack 333 but all related.

@Fakey_AK & @mike123, that's cool guys, were all here to learn

333 wrote:
Or did you mean 1mg/kg/per day?

1mcg per kg

Thanks Oupa I meant 1mcg/KG.

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks Oupa I meant 1mcg/KG.

Typo

@333

Pin pre workout (+-20 min) for good pumps but avoid pre-workout pinning on cardio days.

333 wrote: Thanks Muscleaddict, let me get a quote.

I'm 27, 91kg, 13%bf

If I start using this, will this allow me to cut after my PCT, or should I hold on for a while and just maintain to wait for my natural test to get back up?

So is this what my plan would look like?

Morning: 90mg CJC1295 (w/o DAC) and 90mg GHRP2
Post Workout: 90mg CJC1295 (w/o DAC) and 90mg GHRP2
Evening: 90mg CJC1295 (w/o DAC) and 90mg ipamorelin

Or did you mean 1mg/kg/per day?

333 you will lose some muscle either way but with the peptides the muscle loss and strength loss is noticeably less. That layout looks fine. Or you could use CJC/ipamorelin 3x a day. You will retain less water on ipamorelin as well.

Excellent!

I love it when a plan comes together, hahahaha.

Now the question is, should I start ASAP while I'm still on cycle, or is it best to do it after my PCT?

Also, I got one question for the mad scientists. Would it be worth taking Clen with this layout? Just an idea.