clomid

Hay guys how you all doing

I heard something about using clomid to boost test levels , could someone explain toe me how this works?

Clomiphene Citrate Effects on Testosterone/Estrogen Ratio in Male Hypogonadism, Ahmad Shabsigh MD, The Journal of Sexual Medicine Volume 2, Issue 5, pages 716–721, September 2005

Clomiphene citrate is a weak estrogen receptor antagonist and thus may be considered a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM). It competes with estradiol for the estrogen receptors at the level of the hypothalamus and blocks the normal negative feedback mechanism of circulating estradiol on the hypothalamus, preventing estrogen from limiting the production of GnRH [5]. The increase in GnRH level then stimulates the pituitary gland to release more FSH and LH, resulting in an increase in sperm and testosterone production by the testes [6].

This effect presents a unique therapeutic opportunity for the management of hypogonadism in the aging male. Low dose, oral therapy with minimal side effects is an excellent substitute to transdermal or injectable testosterone alternatives. It enhances the endogenous androgen synthesis pathway while maintaining the natural circadian rhythm. This method of treatment is especially important in hypogonadal men with infertility, who wish to father children. Exogenous testosterone therapy suppresses spermatogenesis and the hypothalamic–pituitary–testicular axis and may cause testicular atrophy.

When using clomid to boost test levels , how much does the test levels boost and what would be the expected benefits or effects of the boosted test levels or is it not high enough to make a noticeable difference in muscle grouth , strength any thing els

Varies. But it should comfortably get you to the highest natural test range and likely get you over it but nothing to the degree of exo testosterone of course. I'd add stinging nettle root to increase free testosterone. Good combo.

Could this combo increase strength , a bit of mass , and help with leaning out?

The combo will only help you if your natural test levels are low. Don't expet anything like when on a cycle.

donkiekong wrote: Could this combo increase strength , a bit of mass , and help with leaning out?

Of course studies show it works for men with hypogonadism but I've seen bloods from normal guys looking to see how it works. Everyone comes back with decently risen testosterone levels (as I said originally). If you go from 700ng/dl to 1,300ng/dl (which I'm saying is likely) you will notice improvements but again, nothing to the degree of exo test but it comes with no sides. It'll do more than any T booster you ca find on the market put it that way.

If I was in an experimental mood I would also add 5mg of dbol every morning. What that should do is rise with the normal testosterone spike and full back with it too thus never reaching shutdown or any of that other stuff.

Interisting , someone should try that and report back

How long would the cycle period be if someone would to try this out ? could you do the same cycle but swop the dbol with anavar or tbol??

Clomid does kill a lot of guys sex drive though and it can mess with your emotions. But it will definitely raise your test levels.

I wouldn't... Messes with my head a bit. :dry:

Studies show 6-12 month use of Clomid didn't have any adverse effects if I remember rightly.

Dbol could technically be run indefinantly since all your doing is boosting natural T levels.

BUT.... I'd personally do it for 16 weeks max and then do some other protocol.

You could even separate those two approaches from above and run a period of low dose Dbol and then a period of Clomid. I'd add others bits and bobs to each period.

And no to your other question because var and tbol half life is too long.

Mason Might wrote: I wouldn't... Messes with my head a bit. :dry:

In what context did you find that out? PCT?

Clomid personally makes me an angry upset bitch to be honest. Hate the stuff. Nolva and aromasin is fine for me.

Chem1 wrote:

Mason Might wrote: I wouldn't... Messes with my head a bit. :dry:

In what context did you find that out? PCT?

Yes, although in hindsight could easily have just been coming off cycle and a drop in test, I just concluded it was the Clomid.

FIllet wrote: Clomid personally makes me an angry upset bitch to be honest. Hate the stuff. Nolva and aromasin is fine for me.

This :lol:

Mason Might wrote:

Chem1 wrote:

Mason Might wrote: I wouldn't... Messes with my head a bit. :dry:

In what context did you find that out? PCT?

Yes, although in hindsight could easily have just been coming off cycle and a drop in test, I just concluded it was the Clomid.

That's why I was asking it's hard to judge how Clomid makes you feel during pct because your already in the trenches.

@Chem1
Yea mate I agree hundred percent. But I did find that once I stopped the Clomid and started the Nolva I wasn't as on edge.
Can then further be argued that the Clomid worked and that's why I came right?

I would however rather run a cycle than rely on clomid to boost test levels, unless said levels were low to start out... But even then I feel TRT would be a better option.

Mason Might wrote: @Chem1
Yea mate I agree hundred percent. But I did find that once I stopped the Clomid and started the Nolva I wasn't as on edge.
Can then further be argued that the Clomid worked and that's why I came right?

No, maybe Clomid just didn't work for you. I was simply throwing out a possibility. I personally run Clomid as a natural and I was all good.

I would however rather run a cycle than rely on clomid to boost test levels, unless said levels were low to start out... But even then I feel TRT would be a better option.

For a guy just looking to enhance himself "naturally" this is a way to go for sure. So is the dbol method. Or combined. Running an actual cycle is a different thing entirely. If I wanted just the former I wouldn't consider the latter and vice versa.

Chem1 wrote: I'd add stinging nettle root to increase free testosterone.

I see that you advise using Stinging Nettle. There was a study on rats which returned a slight increase in test levels, but in a double-blind human study on 558 people there was no significant effect on testosterone levels.

Been awhile since looking at it but I'd still add it based the conclusion I came to. Obviously is just support for the main player. You could also add DAA or trib as support.

How about stanazol or proviron as both these seem to release free test?

Could this method be used to bridge between cycles to keep more of your gains in pct and after ? (Like rhino did with the anavar)

Would this method interfere with pct ?

Chem1 wrote: Dbol could technically be run indefinantly since all your doing is boosting natural T levels.

BUT.... I'd personally do it for 16 weeks max and then do some other protocol.

Interested to know how you came up with that statement? I've seen Dbol 10mg/day between cycles being discussed for over a decade and it's still as bad of an idea as it was then. People think that because dbol has such a short half-life that you can do one 10mg dose in the morning and barely effect your HPTA. In reality that does not work, and dbol still shuts you down and is not a replacement for testosterone. Anavar at 20mg has less effect on natural testosterone than 10mg dbol.

It's a fine line. From what I've been led to believe 10mg will do exactly as you say but the whizz kids i learn from calculate that 5mg dbol timed with AM test spike will not have that effect and will just boost it a little more and the half life makes it so that it falls with it also.

It's a bit like how GHRP and Mod-129 work they boost natural GH levels especially when timed correctly (post wo, pre bed etc because thats when gh levels will be highest).

Chem1 wrote: Been awhile since looking at it but I'd still add it based the conclusion I came to. Obviously is just support for the main player. You could also add DAA or trib as support.

I don't understand, why add something if it will have no effect? DAA is proven to work if and only if your test levels are low. Tribulis has no effect on normal males, and only a slight effect on infertile men.