PCT Advise

Evening forum.

Looking for some timing advise on my PCT plan for my current bulk cycle after huge amounts of conflicting online information.

Cycle:

1-10: Deca @ 300 mg/week (Mon/Thurs)
1-12: Test E @ 500 mg/week (Mon/Thurs)
1-4: Superdrol @ 30 mg/day
(Proviron ED @ 50 mg (Morn/Even))

PCT:

11 - 13: HCG @ 1500iu/week (Mon/Wed/Fri)
Arimidex @ 12,5 mg/EOD
15 - 18: Clomid @ 50/50/25/25
Nolva @ 40/40/20/20
Osterine @ 25/25/25/12.5
Cardarine @ 20/20/20/10
(Proviron ED @ 50 mg (Morn/Even))

Currently finished week 9 and sitting at a stable weight, however, I would like to ask for advice on HCG dosing and timing schedule and also whether I maybe should run the Test E one week longer while the Deca clears and /or allow a longer waiting period after my last Test E pin to start my PCT?

This is my Third cycle and I always run Proviron right through my cycles and PCT to keep hardness and some anti-E, I didn't run an AI as I never need it but my last cycle I did not introduce HCG, so I decided to run it with the HCG to combat the extra aromatization that may occur.

Trying to find some input on the timing of all the compounds as the internet is littered in conflicting information and ideas.

Another thing, first time I have the addition of the two SARMS in my PCT, after researching them, I liked the idea of running them during PCT while Test levels recover.

Thanks.

You need to wait another week or ideally 2 to start PCT after your last injection if you want to be sure that your PCT will be as effective as possible. Deca is extremely suppressive even at very low doses. Then rather run the HCG an extra week @ 1000iu/week. Arimidex you want to run a week longer than the HCG and then then taper your dose to avoid estrogen rebound. Or even right through PCT and then taper off. Next time rather use aromasin.

Nolvadex is a waste over 20mg/day and will just add to side effects. You're going to hate this but proviron should not be taken during PCT. It will harm your hpta recovery. Fact. As for ostarine, many guys take it during PCT but it is still slightly suppressive 25mg is a high dose for PCT, stick to 12.5mg if you must. Personally I would not take it during PCT. I saw someones bloodwork a few years ago after an ostarine only cycle and his test levels were extremely low.

I'm with MA on this one. Take the Ostarine out as will most likely hamperyour recovery, also wait an extra week or 2 before PCT starts.

As for hcg, why not start around week 4 and do 500iu per week and use it twice a week? run it all the way up until PCT if possible. Or workout whats the earliest you can start to make your hcg last until PCT starts. By my calculations that means start it at week 6

PCT, like pump said keep the nolva at 20mg. Also you can run the clomid for 2 weeks at 50mg instead of tapering down the extra 2 weeks. Instead of the proviron try and use aromasin during PCT to avoid that estro rebound. If you can't get the aromasin then just cut out the proviron as per MA

Other than that, looks like a solid cycle

Thank You guys.

Some very helpful advice.

My next cycle will definitely involve HCG throughout the cycle. Previous two cycles did not involve HCG at all but the recovery was a long process with loss of gains. Bloods finally stabilized at around month 4 post PCT. Another thing about HCG, if I run it a week longer, do I start PCT directly after or give it a week before PCT? Some sites suggest that this is done while others suggest that there should be a slight waiting period before PCT so to not run them simultaneously?

I would have liked to run some Aromasin rather but at the time of ordering my cycle, my supplier could not get any so I settled for Arimidex. I can actually order some now and have it in time for my PCT if that is recommended?

Always run my Proviron right through and muscles stayed hard and full but sources had conflicting information on the proper procedure. Going to cut out this time then and see the results.

As for the Ostarine, the research on this also suggested the slight suppression but some information linked this to only being a side effect for longer cycles of the SARM, hence why the addition in the PCT would be fine for short time period of 4 weeks. However, since Deca is so suppressive, I also had the idea that it may be counter productive.

Gym_Junkie wrote: As for the Ostarine, the research on this also suggested the slight suppression but some information linked this to only being a side effect for longer cycles of the SARM, hence why the addition in the PCT would be fine for short time period of 4 weeks. However, since Deca is so suppressive, I also had the idea that it may be counter productive.

Yes, big difference between doing a 4 week Ostarine only cycle with a healthy HPTA which would bounce back fast, and a completely shut down HPTA which you are trying to fix while taking something that suppresses it. You'll probably find that the forums who recommend it during PCT are the ones who make big bucks from SARMS sales.

For your HCG, you'll split your 5000iu into 8 injections over 4 weeks. You can wait a week after your last HCG shot before you start clomid. It won't make a huge difference, but since testosterone response peaks 3 days after an HCG injection and is still elevated for a few days after that, it makes sense to wait 4-7 days.

Muscleaddict wrote:
Yes, big difference between doing a 4 week Ostarine only cycle with a healthy HPTA which would bounce back fast, and a completely shut down HPTA which you are trying to fix while taking something that suppresses it. You'll probably find that the forums who recommend it during PCT are the ones who make big bucks from SARMS sales.

For your HCG, you'll split your 5000iu into 8 injections over 4 weeks. You can wait a week after your last HCG shot before you start clomid. It won't make a huge difference, but since testosterone response peaks 3 days after an HCG injection and is still elevated for a few days after that, it makes sense to wait 4-7 days.

That makes sense now, I did not look at it that way and yes, a lot of the sites I looked at about SARMs promoted them so I did not truly trust the information.

Thank you very much with all the advice, very helpful!

Another few questions...

This site's sample PCT runs Clomid first and then Nolva till the end of the PCT? What's the reason for this or am I missing a post since the general information on the internet is to run them simultaneously like I proposed?

My HCG arrived as one powder ampule and 1ml sodium chloride ampule. I looked into getting bacteriostatic water but not sure how to go about this? I see Ciccone has a 10 ml vile. I also thought maybe it's possible to mix the two ampules and a draw all the needles for storage? The HCG is Ovigil 5000 iu.

Last question, sort of for interest sake, I see some people like to run an oral in the bridge to PCT like Anavar. I happened to order way to much Superdrol and wondering if I could run it @15 mg ED in the bridge. I know Superdrol is much harsher than Anavar but it was just a thought since I won't be using the Superdrol this year again.

Gym_Junkie wrote: Another few questions...

This site's sample PCT runs Clomid first and then Nolva till the end of the PCT? What's the reason for this or am I missing a post since the general information on the internet is to run them simultaneously like I proposed?

without getting to complicated clomid and nolverdex target two different receptors. You can read more on this site to get a better understanding

My HCG arrived as one powder ampule and 1ml sodium chloride ampule. I looked into getting bacteriostatic water but not sure how to go about this? I see Ciccone has a 10 ml vile. I also thought maybe it's possible to mix the two ampules and a draw all the needles for storage? The HCG is Ovigil 5000 iu.

search this forum theres a well detailed info about this. Im on my phone at the moment

Last question, sort of for interest sake, I see some people like to run an oral in the bridge to PCT like Anavar. I happened to order way to much Superdrol and wondering if I could run it @15 mg ED in the bridge. I know Superdrol is much harsher than Anavar but it was just a thought since I won't be using the Superdrol this year again.

you can run sdrol the last few weeks on your cycle that fine at 15mg ed. Sdrol is pretty liver toxic. I would go for var

The Clomid is supposed to prep the testes for the Nolva / Aromasin to answer your question as to why.

Thanks guys, appreciate all the help. I'm debating running the Sdrol since I know how toxic it is to my poor liver and I haven't had blood tests to see where my liver health is at.