Post Cycle Lethargy

Afternoon forum

Need some advice to help with the lethargy post cycle. I've been off Test E only 1 week now, currently running 50mg of Winstrol and Proviron per day and I'm planning on waiting 2 more weeks until PCT.

Usually I feel fine especially only after one week but this time, my test levels seem to have dropped very quickly and I'm almost useless during the day.

Anything I can do to help ride through this stage until I start PCT?

Was planning on running Cardarine on PCT but thinking of starting it earlier to help get through my workouts.

It's far more likely to be from high estrogen than low test. Common side effect of high E2. Also, 3 weeks is too soon to start PCT after a Test E cycle if you want it to be properly effective.

My plan was to wait three weeks, possibly see how I feel but aim for four weeks.

I didn't actually know that was a side effect of high E2, I'm currently taking 0.5 mg of Anastrozole EOD. Should I up the dosage?

If you taking an AI you are doing a PCT. AI's are extremely effective for elevating natural test levels. You seem to be have a bidirectional relationship with dopamine, when you on test it stimulates you, when you low your dopamine drops and you not interested in sex, cortisol rises, you feeling drained and no drive to things that once interest you anymore, everyone always blames estrogen only, even though it is an issue, so is neurotransmitters. I would make sure your diet is waxed so you feel a bit better. I am going through an extreme low at the moment too, about 4 weeks off test e. It should start to come right in a week or two, but really I only start feeling myself 2 weeks after PCT has finished as those meds are nasty.

Let me just lay out everything I'm taking right at the moment:

Winstrol @ 50 mg/day (one week in)
Proviron @ 50 mg/day
HCG @ 500 iu (Mon/Wed/Fri), third week since start
Adex @ 0.5 mg/EOD (started with the HCG)

One week off Test E. No signs of Gyno, Picked up another 1kg on the scale in one week (after showing no weight gains in two weeks, not sure if this was the winstrol but didn't expect it).

What you wrote there is very accurate for the way I feel and I feel it's getting worse by the day 00Pump. Just trying to keep my calories up and eat clean then.

So what's the point of the winstrol? To ride out to PCT? Just the drop in testosterone could be enough to pull you down and the estrogen from the hCG will also make you feel horrible.. Why are you using hCG, your testicles shrunken up ? Winstrol can make you feel low, Proviron can lead to irritability which could makes you feel more low due to an added negative response in your body. hCG is just a hectic drug and I always feel yuk on it, and Adex has it's own side effects. So maybe you just have allot of meds in your that your body isnt enjoying, maybe your liver is even under strain. It's all just guess work.

00pump wrote: So maybe you just have allot of meds in your that your body isnt enjoying, maybe your liver is even under strain. It's all just guess work.

Agreed. There's no way of knowing for sure. Just one of those things we have to take it as it comes.

This is the first time including Winstrol to try do exactly that, run through the sort of 'bridge' period to PCT, was an experiment on the oral and the method. So far, the pumps are amazing, the Ance has gone mad and yes it may be adding to the horrible feeling.

The hCG is for a post 9 week Deca (Ran out a week early), 12 week Test E cycle, decided to run it for four weeks pre PCT to help with recovery. Recovery from my last Deca cycle was a bitch. And I have run Proviron right through.

I guess you are right, each compound has a reason and I researched them all to see how they work together, First time experiencing hCG and Winstrol, so just those added and the mixture must all be adding to the low feeling.

Thanks for the help though, its a learning curve.

The best option I assume would actually be a blood test.

Keep in mind it could also be psychological. I remember my last test injection... i immediately felt a little bit depressed knowing it will be the end of that awesome feeling and kinda of the warm up to shitty PCT (clomid) feeling. However my lows was just a day or 2 and i was back to myself.

PS not trying to take anything away from Pump's awesome post. He probably has it 90% spot on and 10% contribution from my post lol

Hoosain wrote: Keep in mind it could also be psychological. I remember my last test injection... i immediately felt a little bit depressed knowing it will be the end of that awesome feeling and kinda of the warm up to shitty PCT (clomid) feeling. However my lows was just a day or 2 and i was back to myself.

PS not trying to take anything away from Pump's awesome post. He probably has it 90% spot on and 10% contribution from my post lol

No one hundred percent, its a shitty feeling, bracing for the come down. Bit of a mind game.

00pump wrote: So what's the point of the winstrol? To ride out to PCT? Just the drop in testosterone could be enough to pull you down and the estrogen from the hCG will also make you feel horrible.. Why are you using hCG, your testicles shrunken up ? Winstrol can make you feel low, Proviron can lead to irritability which could makes you feel more low due to an added negative response in your body. hCG is just a hectic drug and I always feel yuk on it, and Adex has it's own side effects. So maybe you just have allot of meds in your that your body isnt enjoying, maybe your liver is even under strain. It's all just guess work.

10 to 1 Winstrol is the problem child, and foolish to be taking it during PCT as it is an AAS.
Quit the Winstrol.

PCT has not started yet, still waiting for the Test and Deca to clear, the winstrol is for the period from last pin to PCT start...I know it's an AAS.