pct question

Sash
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29 May 2009 09:17 #14777 by Sash

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just need to find out weather i will be needing hcg for pct or clomid will just be fine for using

8 weeks anavar 50 mg a day

10 weeks sustanon 250mg a week

12 weeks equi 350 -350 mg a week

do i need to run hcg with a mild dose of test??
or just run clomid and clen???

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jo1
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29 May 2009 11:39 #14781 by jo1

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i would always do a proper pct after any test, or any cycle, juz my way of doing things, maybe after the pct my natty test levels is higher than it was b4.

others may differ from me.

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Mr_SA
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29 May 2009 12:55 #14789 by Mr_SA

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If you wanna be extra safe, run the HCG once a week, budget permitting.
Else, Take Nolva and Clomid as the PCT.

Give it a shot, you're only TESTing it...

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Sash
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29 May 2009 13:25 #14796 by Sash

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i am going to use HCG .please advise when do i start HCG as i am using sustanon and considering my test levels will still be high after my last shot.

so do i start like 2 weeks after last shot of sust followed by clomid and clen?

i just need to time my HCG use correctly

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Inja
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29 May 2009 21:09 #14833 by Inja

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I like to start my HCG with small frequent doses (250iu - 500iu) after my last shot so the boys are firing already before the test clears. Others like larger doses (1500iu - X000iu) to kickstart the testes after the test has cleared.

You can try either although I prefer the first option because of the risk of desensitising the fellers to LH, and its closer relation to natural rythms...

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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Inja
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29 May 2009 22:06 #14834 by Inja

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P.S. I think your cycle is crap.

Reasons include 8weeks of var which your liver wont like, higher doses of EQ than test, and the fact that your running EQ the same length of time as sust (which clears quicker)

I think you need to think your cycles through more clearly, but that's just my opinion...

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vega5
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29 May 2009 22:29 #14837 by vega5

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I like to do the following: I wait till the test in my system drops to 100mg then I start my PCT. 5000IU on the day you reach 100mg test and the every 3rd day of three shots including the first. Then one shot every 5 day for three shots. Use this calculator to calculate when to stars PCT. My goons are still okay as i'm still making babies. forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=865915

Basically it looks like this. Day 1 PCT:5000IU, Day 4:5000IU, Day 8:5000IU, Day 13:5000IU, Day 18:5000IU, Day 23:5000IU

I hope this makes sense.

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Inja
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29 May 2009 23:59 #14844 by Inja

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PCT is a very touchy subject. Everyobdy has got their own formula.

Vega, with yours I'm inclined to worry about desensitising of tetes to LH stimulus that can occur from high doses or prolonged exposure to HCG... One PCT may work for one person but not another. Not attacking your protocol, but I think it is important to discuss all aspects when giving advice.

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Sash
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30 May 2009 15:21 #14851 by Sash

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thanks for the replies

@ Inja ,sorry my sust is 10 weeks,mis type not 12 and equi 12 weeks.

so do i start after my7 last shot of equi?? how lkong after last shot?

regarding the Var ,whats the maxium time u think i be on it?

anyways guys i appreciate critism,i dont take offense,im here to learn

thanks guys

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Empire
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30 May 2009 20:59 #14853 by Empire

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well if i was u i would google steroid half lives and then it would be then look at home long each substance is in your body and then thats how long after your last shot u start your pct...

vega5...bro i am worried about that 5000iu's per shot dude..that can make u sterile if u are not using substances that cause heavy shut down for exteneded periods of time...such as high dose tren or deca...its just my opinion but also there was an old debate by doctari and conan stating that too high a dose of pregnyl at one shot can cause u to become sterile dude...just search the forum about that....

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Inja
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30 May 2009 22:17 #14857 by Inja

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Squirrel man: I agree with you completely, I think desinsitising the testes to LH is a real concern. Most guys are aware of this however I do know guys that still swear by high dose HCG despite this fact. I just try to advise new comers to keep dosages low and not to extend usage times.

Sash: Listen bro, how long you stay on orals is up to you. Although var is supposedly lighter on the liver when you increase doses to 50mg and up you increase toxicity. As a kickstart I don't use orals for more than four weeks. If in a cutter I usually push 6 weeks. Women will run up to 8 weeks or more but at lower doses. Your health is your decision, once you've educated yourself by reading all the wonderful knowledge that exists on the internet you can make this decision...

Sorry if I offend you
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Lesa
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31 May 2009 03:51 #14860 by Lesa

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With all the permanent damage that hcg can do to your nuts i wouldnt play around with 5000 IU shots. Vega thats such an old school pct which can easily cause permanent problems. Also your estrogen levels will be off the roof with such high hcg dosages. Im going with the 500 iu every 5 days maintenace dose it makes more sense to me then wacking your nuts with mega shots like this later.I drank winny for 10 weeks on the last cycle which wasnt very smart but I just did my blood work and my liver values are good so no harm done i suppose. Also if you gonna use sus wack a double dose in the first week since u not gonna front load.you can start your pct 2 weeks after your last sus shot. It can be active up to 3 weeks but i wouldnt wait for the maximum suggested time either so i reckon 2 weeks and start clomid etc....

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vega5
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31 May 2009 08:55 #14863 by vega5

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Thanks for not making me nervous. I'm climbing onto the web now and changing my PCT NOW!!! My wife will kill me if i'm sterile as she wants another baby next year.

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Inja
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31 May 2009 12:38 #14866 by Inja

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Lesa: Another point to consider is that prolonged usage of HCG can also desensitise the testes to LH. I think its better than mega dosing but something to consider when using a maintainance dose in a long cycle. Personally I don't suffer atrophy and decreased volume until a few weeks in, usually week five. Although negative feedback starts before actual atrophy this is when I start to add in a little HCG. Just to mimick the normal LH signal the testes should normally be getting.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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soloR
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31 May 2009 16:15 #14872 by soloR

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Letrozole also stimulates LH production, right? So to what extent can be used during a cycle instead of HCG, are they even comparable in that sense?

Chemical experiment in progress....

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Empire
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31 May 2009 20:40 #14875 by Empire

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vega5 wrote:

Thanks for not making me nervous. I'm climbing onto the web now and changing my PCT NOW!!! My wife will kill me if i'm sterile as she wants another baby next year.

look on the forum dude,there was big debate with Doctari and Conan about this topic...

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Lesa
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01 Jun 2009 00:20 #14878 by Lesa

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Inja wrote:

Lesa: Another point to consider is that prolonged usage of HCG can also desensitise the testes to LH. I think its better than mega dosing but something to consider when using a maintainance dose in a long cycle. Personally I don't suffer atrophy and decreased volume until a few weeks in, usually week five. Although negative feedback starts before actual atrophy this is when I start to add in a little HCG. Just to mimick the normal LH signal the testes should normally be getting.

Yea i agree there i was gonna start hcg in week 2 of my cycle but i think netro corrected me there and said go from week 4 or 5 which is what you saying. well maybe ill go 300 iu every 5 days

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Lesa
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01 Jun 2009 00:25 #14879 by Lesa

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soloR wrote:

Letrozole also stimulates LH production, right? So to what extent can be used during a cycle instead of HCG, are they even comparable in that sense?

From what i understood letro is an inhibitor just like arimidex so nope i dont think it stimulates lh production. Estrogen plays a role in your gains on cycle and it plays a role in your recovery as well so if you not careful with dosages letro will prevent estrogen conversion up to 95% which is quite bad as that affects everything.From what i gathered online arimidex at .5 mg which is half a tab a day should stop aromatisation at around 50 % which is good enuf i think. but nolva/kessar have deffinately shown to increase lh production on its own.

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vega5
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01 Jun 2009 12:29 #14890 by vega5

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I've been reading and I agree that lower dosages are better. My only problem now is, is that there are varied opinions on how frequent you should take it and the duration of the HCG treatment. Does anybody have a definitive answer on this?

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Empire
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01 Jun 2009 12:41 #14892 by Empire

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well bro 500ius every other day has worked well for me in the past...give it a try

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Sash
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01 Jun 2009 12:44 #14893 by Sash

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so what u guys saying is the small doses every second day for 2 weeks? is this correct?

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vega5
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01 Jun 2009 12:48 #14894 by vega5

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For how long?djeasye wrote:

well bro 500ius every other day has worked well for me in the past...give it a try

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Empire
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01 Jun 2009 12:53 #14895 by Empire

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3 weeks should be good champ

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Inja
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01 Jun 2009 23:46 #14927 by Inja

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Just to make sure its clear to everybody: The EOD schedule is for PCT only. Not for maintaining on cycle...

Sorry if I offend you
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