HCG alternative

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15 Jul 2009 22:17 #17676 by Lesa
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Ok so I wont be able to use hcg as im travveling around Africa on business and I wont be able to keep it in a cool place. So HCG is not gonna be available but I will have a dex kessar and clomid for my cycle. Cycle will include test prop and test enanth for 8 weeks. Will my PCT stay the same as doctari s protocol even though i cannot use HCG or do I do something different with clomid and kessar?

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15 Jul 2009 22:21 #17677 by Netro
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Try and get some Aromasin if HCG is not an option. Clomid and Kessar doses and duration stay the same. Actually, test only you should be good on Clomid and Kessar alone.

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15 Jul 2009 23:50 #17681 by Lesa
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isnt aromasin the same as adex or letro?

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16 Jul 2009 10:49 #17693 by Netro
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Just a copy and paste from this link: www.steroid.com/Aromasin.php

Aromasin
(exemestane)

Aromasin (Exemestane) is a steroidal suicide aromatase inhibitor, which means that it lowers estrogen production in the body by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for estrogen synthesization. (1)(2)(3)

This stuff was developed to fight breast cancer in post-menopausal women, who need a particularly aggressive therapy, and for whom first line defenses such as SERMS (Tamoxifen) have not worked. This should be our first clue in inferring that this stuff is pretty strong, or at least stronger than some of the other compounds which are used to fight breast cancer.
Aromasin and Side Effects

Aromasin averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression (4), so it´s clearly a very effective agent for bodybuilders and other athletes wanting to avoid estrogen related side effects such as gyno, acne, or water-retention brought on by aromatizing steroids. Specifically, Exemestane dose this by selectively inhibiting aromatase activity in a time-dependent and irreversible manner (hence the "suicidal" portion of it´s name, I guess).(7)

As with most of the compounds in this class, it also causes a reasonable rise in testosterone levels (6), and as you may have guessed, this rise in testosterone means that Exemestane can also cause androgenic sides(8)(9)(10). As you can see from the chart below, exemestane is very effective at both lowering estrogen (estradiol) and raising testosterone:

Estrogen and androgen plasma levels after 10 d of daily exemestane (25 or 50 mg) in healthy young males (mean ± SD; n = 9-11). To convert to Systeme International units: estradiol, picomoles per liter (x3.671); estrone, picomoles per liter (x3.699); androstenedione, nanomoles per liter (*0.003492); and testosterone, nanomoles per liter (x0.03467). (13)

So we can see that 25mgs is a very effective dose from that chart, right? As an added benefit, exemestane not only increases testosterone and lowers estrogen, but it also increases IGF levels (11).Additionally Worth noting is that Aromasin may possibly be less harsh on blood lipids (14)than some of the other (similar) compounds we use in the world of bodybuilding or athletics (other AI´s). It also has, at best no effect on IGF, and at worst could lower (13) it. AI´s are very tricky with regards to inconsistencies in IGF levels.

Unfortunately, you need to take Exemestane for a week to reach steady blood plasma levels of it, and exemestane has a ½ life of 27 hours (12.).

The ability of exemestane to lower estrogen levels by the aforementioned 85% makes it a very nice choice for use in any cycle where aromatizing steroids are used. In addition, since it´s not too harsh at all on blood lipid profiles, it´s a very good choice for longer cycles. It´s ability to raise both testosterone levels also seem to suggest that it would be a very nice addition to a Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT).

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17 Jul 2009 07:42 #17760 by Lesa
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I see. So how would you incorporate this into the cycle? Since i already have 2 boxes of A dex i was going to take .5 mgs ED from the start then stop Adex 2 weeks after last enth shot. So then i would start aromasin instead with clomid?Should i also add Kessar?

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17 Jul 2009 16:26 #17802 by Netro
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Nah bud, Clomid and Kessar are good for a test only cycle.
A-Dex, keep on hand if needed.

I was only answering your question about the Aromasin.
You could, however take / incorporate if you want.

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