Something i wrote ages ago.
Think the goal here should be to keep it simple-not that is a simple issue. The second is that this is NOT an exact science. The third is we have to distinguish between during cycle estrogen control and Post Cycle treatment (PCT) although some of the drugs will perform duel functions. I’m also not going into the drugs themselves in detail. We all have Google and the only way to understand these drugs, interactions and effects is to read. We are here to help each other-BUT learn what you can for yourself and if you have a question then-bring it to the forum.
Lets start of with the basic’s and not detail-I’m not going to explain the HPTA interaction (Read CME or Perfect Beast) in detail. Bottom line is the longer you are on a cycle the more your body will “shutdown” That’s why shorter cycle’s imo is the better way to go. Id rather pick up 4kgs and keep 3 than pick up 15 and keep seven. It’s cheaper, safer and you can then do 3 or 4 cycles a year instead of one or 2. But let’s face it if you have done any cycle use PCT. Here are the drugs that we commonly use-I’m not going to use Armidex in these examples as I am assuming that if you actually know what that is you won’t need to read this post. (But it is THE shizniz if you have the cash for it)
Nolvadex/Kessar/Neophedan (10 or 20mg tablets)
HCG/Pregnyl (1500 IU or 5000 IU)
Clomid (50mg Tablets)
So here are a few approaches you COULD use. (Remember this is my OPINION there are probably better and more effective approaches, but as far as cost and effect goes these will work)
Nolvadex only:
Clomid only:
Nolvadex and Clomid
Nolvadex and HCG
Clomid and HCG
Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG
Once again I have to make the point PCT is post cycle. Thus the first thing you need to do is determine the half-life (lifespan in your body) of the drugs you are using. I will use Deca as my example-cos it’s very commonly used and except for Sustonon there won’t be many things that you will run into that has got a longer half life. So if you are using 4 substances work out by using the injection date and half-life which one will leave ur system the last. Deca for our example I will assume 17days. Thus 17days after your last shot of Deca you will start PCT. Now the goal of PCT in all cases is to restore normal testosterone production in the body and in SOME cases Estrogen control. Testosterone production initials your brain telling urn ads to produce Test and your body not telling your brain to NOT tell your nads to produce TEST (Grade one version HPTA function)
Ok so now what do you do?
Depending on ur cycle length –Less than 4 weeks I personally wont use HCG longer than that I will.
Nolvadex: In the case of our example 4 weeks of PCT will be good. 40 mg of Nolva (split doses) per day for 2 weeks and 20mg of Nolva (split doses) per day will do the job pretty nicely. (We will suppress Estrogen and restore to a lesser extent Test function) Effectively rating overall prob a 2 out of 5. In other words if you can only afford this-it’s better than nothing.
Clomid: In case of our example 3 weeks should be fine at 100mg per day for the first 5 days and then 50mg per for the next 10 days(We will suppress Estrogen and restore to an extent Test function) 3 out of 5. Better than Nolva for Test production (but we have some side effects and it’s not such a good anti estrogen. Price also becomes a factor.
Nolva and Clomid: Use Nolva as above at 20 mg per day for 4 weeks and ad 50 mg of Clomid in for the first 10 days. 3.5 out of 5. Good estrogen suppression and nice HPTA regeneration.
Nolva and HCG-My personal favourite. In my last week of injection 1500iu’s every 5th day not exceeding 3 weeks of use then run 40 mg of Nolva (split doses) per day for 2 weeks and 20mg of Nolva (split doses) per day. YES we can get into details of 250 IU’s everyday or 500 IU’s every second day during cycle. But this is expensive and impractical although very effective. Rating 4 out of 5. Works for me on everything I have ever used. With almost no side effects except a mean sex drive. I must admit that I use Proviron with this approach starting the same day as my HCG but I see this more than an on cycle Estrogen control than PCT since Proviron also suppresses HPTA function.
Clomid and HCG. Prob not the worst idea ever but I don’t like the sides. 100mg per day for the first 5 days and then 50mg per for the next 10 days with the same HCG protocol as above. Rating 4 out of 5
Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG. Use Nolva as above at 20 mg per day for 4 weeks and ad 50 mg of Clomid in for the first 10 days with the same HCG protocol. Rating 4.5 out of 5
Adding Arimdex at 0.5mg per day to any of the above approaches is a brilliant idea if u have the money.
REMEMBER this example is based on DECA. Using another substance like Test Cyp or EQ will change the length of the PCT and start date of the PCT. 14 days/8days 3 weeks respectively (just in case someone needs to know)
This is a good idea of what you can do remember what works best for me might not work best for you. I’m not a Clomid fan-but it is GOOD stuff. I love Armidex but I can’t afford it. So I stick to Nolva and HCG. The point is find out what works for YOU. No one can with 100%certainty ever give you a no fail PCT schedule, the only way to find out is to see what works for you. So go and study up on drug half lives and plan your cycle’s check your budgets and go give it a try.
here are some half lifes-to make Pct calculation easier
Oral steroids Drug Active half-life
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Anavar (oxandrolone) 9 hours
Dianabol (methandrostenolone, methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
Methyltestosterone 4 days
Winstrol (stanozolol)
(tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours
Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 14 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day
Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days
Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days (what a bonus)
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
Ephedrine 6 hours
T3 10 hours
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