Propecia and PCT

Right i been reading on use of propecia during and post PCT. I have found so many mixed conclusions its frightening. Some guys are saying that propecia will completely mess up the gains if used during PCT. Some guys are saying that propecia actually rises test lvl by 15 % but also increases estrogen levels. Some say it makes no difference on your natural test lvls even if it blocks DHT conversion. Whats your opinions gents?

I have used it 20 days into PCT on Conans advice before and recovered perfectly.
I like it and planned it for the end of this cycle as well.

Propecia or Proviron? - misread!

I use Finpecia (Propecia) during all my cycles, I always suffer from prostate enlargement, so I find 1 tab a day does the trick I do it right up till my PCT starts (2 weeks after last jab)

Might be better ways, but that always works for me....

I am going to use as well during the cycle but like i said there is so many different opinions on propecia during pct and afterwards? Anyone got anything scientific about it?

I'm not 100% keen on using enzyme inhibitors during PCT. For instance with estrogen, using a SERM for PCT is fine because it just blocks the estrogen molecule from binding its target receptor. This means that it doesn't stop the production of estrogen from testosterone while still providing a signal for testosterone production. So when PCT stops the total hormone profile is in a better proportion. Using an A.I. during PCT will bring back testosterone fast but prevents estrogen production, so on cessation of PCT the estrogen levels are not in balance. As a result during PCT the body has actually up-regulates its production of the aromatase enzyme, so when PCT is stopped you get a massive spike in estrogen as the mass of aromatase enzymes fight to restore the body to homeostasis.

This being said, many people use A.I.'s in PCT very successfully, and thus a role for 5-alpha reductase inhibitors might be plausible in some individuals. I personally rather stop taking my inhibitors after my cycle when my exogenous test levels have declined.

Inja wrote:

I'm not 100% keen on using enzyme inhibitors during PCT. For instance with estrogen, using a SERM for PCT is fine because it just blocks the estrogen molecule from binding its target receptor. This means that it doesn't stop the production of estrogen from testosterone while still providing a signal for testosterone production. So when PCT stops the total hormone profile is in a better proportion. Using an A.I. during PCT will bring back testosterone fast but prevents estrogen production, so on cessation of PCT the estrogen levels are not in balance. As a result during PCT the body has actually up-regulates its production of the aromatase enzyme, so when PCT is stopped you get a massive spike in estrogen as the mass of aromatase enzymes fight to restore the body to homeostasis.

This being said, many people use A.I.'s in PCT very successfully, and thus a role for 5-alpha reductase inhibitors might be plausible in some individuals. I personally rather stop taking my inhibitors after my cycle when my exogenous test levels have declined.

Always a complicated answer inja always. So you are saying that its not a good idea to use propecia during and after pct? Explain a reason for that though because from the research i have seen on the net finastride increase free test lcl by 20 % or more but in the same time also increase estrogen lvls. But since kessar is involved plus clomid in the pct wont that block the estrogen related sides?

I wasn't debating that aromatase and 5-alpha reductase inhibitors don't raise test levels. Of course they do by telling the body to make estrogen and DHT (which it needs to make from test first).

What I said in my post is that the body reacts to these inhibitors by producing more aromatase and 5-alpha reductase enzymes. So that when you remove the inhibitors from the system there are more of these enzymes in the body.

This means that when you stop PCT there is a spike in estrogen and DHT levels, which in turn can then surpress testosterone production momentarily.

I was agreeing that the use of A.I.'s and 5-AR.I.'s can help in recovering test production post cycle, but simply warning that this strategy leads to a hormone imbalance following PCT. One not in favour of testosterone production...

Inja. This conversation has now bearing on me what so ever but I'd like to thank you for the brilliant posts!

Inja wrote:

I wasn't debating that aromatase and 5-alpha reductase inhibitors don't raise test levels. Of course they do by telling the body to make estrogen and DHT (which it needs to make from test first).

What I said in my post is that the body reacts to these inhibitors by producing more aromatase and 5-alpha reductase enzymes. So that when you remove the inhibitors from the system there are more of these enzymes in the body.

This means that when you stop PCT there is a spike in estrogen and DHT levels, which in turn can then surpress testosterone production momentarily.

I was agreeing that the use of A.I.'s and 5-AR.I.'s can help in recovering test production post cycle, but simply warning that this strategy leads to a hormone imbalance following PCT. One not in favour of testosterone production...

So well if one prolonges use of tamoxifen after pct and gradually stops finastride estrogen shouldnt play a big risk for test lvls increase right?

no one got nothing? Wonder if doctari still reads posts

hmmm, I would honestly not use it PCT, if you read on the packaging inside it states could cause impotence, etc, this I would believe would go against what your PCT is trying to achieve... is there a specific reason why you want to use it PCT?

00pump wrote:

hmmm, I would honestly not use it PCT, if you read on the packaging inside it states could cause impotence, etc, this I would believe would go against what your PCT is trying to achieve... is there a specific reason why you want to use it PCT?

Because my pharmacist says that finastride should be used for 3 months minimum once taken so id hate to get rebound effect or something thats why Im asking. Does it really says it causes impotence?

yup... when I read that I started getting a bit scared.... so I decided to myself, that if I use it during a cycle to prevent the events I get of prostrate enlargment, which seems to be working very well in this cycle, where by now, i would be pissing every 5 minutes and a few drops coming out... but was a bit scared to use it after a cycle, unless i did a some clomid/kessar and hcg just to be sure that i'm not impotent...

when ever i read something that says impotent, i shiver.....

Lesa wrote:

So well if one prolonges use of tamoxifen after pct and gradually stops finastride estrogen shouldnt play a big risk for test lvls increase right?

The point is you are still getting the DHT spike. If your tamoxifen usage extends until after DHT returns closer to equilibrium levels then yes, you negate the effect on testosterone from the 5-alpha inhibitor.

Now im stuck my bicep tear healed and im about to start my test cycle in next 3 weeks and this issue is the only part which is bugging me

Rather run your finasteride on cycle not in PCT.

If you wish to experiment with it in PCT as well run it halfway into your PCT but remember this may add to a temporary reduction in libido.

I agree...

Inja wrote:

Rather run your finasteride on cycle not in PCT.

If you wish to experiment with it in PCT as well run it halfway into your PCT but remember this may add to a temporary reduction in libido.

Since I dont have abillity to use HCG this cycle im stocking up on Adex kessar and Clomid.
Im going to take .5 adex throughtout the cycle but will stop it about 2 weeks after the last shot of test E. Then i do 5 days of 100 mgs clomid with 30 days of kessar following the clomid. Now propecia i start at day 1 of the cycle but what you saying is that i should stop it 15 days into my kessar right? Should I maybe modify this PCT what you think bro?

Ah right, that's the reason for your desperation.

I would be even more conservative with the finasteride and stop it just over one week into the kessar, leaving three weeks of kessar thereafter.

Be careful with propecia. When it works it is great but as much as I do need it I will not take it. I have read too many stories online from men who have serious long term impotency issues. Some lasting a few years after stopping propecia! There's even a support forum for guys who are messed up from it. Yes I know its only a small percentage of men affected but for me the risk is too high.

yes, but are they steroid users, we too suffer the same affects, hence PCT...

Muscleaddict wrote:

Be careful with propecia. When it works it is great but as much as I do need it I will not take it. I have read too many stories online from men who have serious long term impotency issues. Some lasting a few years after stopping propecia! There's even a support forum for guys who are messed up from it. Yes I know its only a small percentage of men affected but for me the risk is too high.

In every situation there is a worst case scenario. There are people who took steroids and could never recover a VERY small percentage but it can happen. Im not planning to use Propecia for long just about 10 weeks during the cycle and half into PCT.

Been taking FinCar on this cycle - what a relief! The old prostate loved this little addition.

Tell me about it..... this is only the second cycle using it, but dam, what a relieff I still go to the toilet twice a night, but its not this *wait* or dribble a few drops, lol.....

shoe, the magic pill... lol