PCT when cutting cycle short due to bit gyno

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27 Jan 2010 11:13 #34558 by rothchilds
just finished week 6 of test en 600mg + deca 500mg + 30mg dianabl (first 30 days)
took 25mg proviron ed


now i noticed small lump under right nipple, and nippls bit sensitive.

got good gains on the 6 weeks, but wanna play it safe with the gyno, so thinking of ending the cycle on 6 weeks.

starting letro today (2 days after last shot when i noticed lump) tapered up over few days to 2.5mg and keep on it untill gyno gone. once it is gone stay on for another 5 days then taper down


start pregnyl 500iu every 3rd day for 2 weeks
18 days after last shot start pct - 100mg clomid 5 days then 50mg for 10 days

should i continue 25mg proviron untill i start pct and while im on pregnyl and using letro, or when should i stop?

thanks very much guys

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27 Jan 2010 18:10 #34577 by BB_guy
I would say run the Letro till the end of your PCT and further if you need to.
Keep the HCG doses low and maybe more frequent seen as though you are already experiencing gyno.
The Letro will take some time to do its thing, so i wouldnt wait that long before i do PCT.
Im not 100% sure but i dont think you need to first use the Letro and then only start PCT.
Personally I would stay on the Proviron till you start the HCG just in case.

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27 Jan 2010 18:40 #34579 by Yohimbe
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Is there any lactation if you squeeze your nipples?

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27 Jan 2010 19:38 #34584 by rothchilds
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No lactation. Nipple just always sensitive on cycle but the Proviron took that away this cycle. So I was bit suprised when I felt the small lump,

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28 Jan 2010 08:55 #34619 by 00pump
even if one suffers from elevated prolactin levels only few people lactate so it's not really an accurate way to determine where the gyno is from, also if you worried its related to deca, deca gyno is 'puffy nipples' the lump is more related to test and dbol...

Doubt the lump will go away with the letro, but you can try.

Best way to use letro to revert gyno would be from now, specially during HCG use and then long after PCT... I doubt the Letro will work though, and surgery is probabbly your only option.

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28 Jan 2010 09:01 #34620 by rothchilds
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nipples are a bit "puffy" like when they are irritated from surfing (the friction on the board). so can i not take the letro and maybe broma ?
would it help in anyway to bump the proviron frm 25mg per day to 50mg , as my nipples are almost more sensitive the last 2 days i started the letro.

thanks for the help man

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28 Jan 2010 12:32 #34628 by 00pump
proviron is a mild AI, no need to use it if you using Letro...

You can combine the two, I would rather get your prolactin levels checked before using Broma and it is not for the faint hearted...

Make sure you not just putting osmething in yourself just because you think you have too..

And most times to revert gyno 'lumps' you need to really hit the Letro I mean 2.5mg a day, anyone who says less ask them if they have cured gyno with that and you need to run it a long long time, its very taxing on your body and you going to land up getting the flue often and your whole body being run down... So becarefull, hence the reason I said if you have an issue get surgery its prob the only way to get rid of it...

Best bet run something like A-dex during a cycle and prevent it from the start, however if you prone like me, 2.5mg a day durin a cycle is not enough.... so I had the surgery , then did 2.5mg letro a day while on a cycle and still got gyno, now going back..

next cycle will be anything that can't convert to estrogen....

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28 Jan 2010 21:41 #34666 by Inja
What I'm going to say will be contradictory to what others will tell you, and for several reasons not the norm, so let me first say that I do not have gyno problems and thus do not have a lot of experience with fighting gyno.

That being said:
Get some tamoxifen now (yep - some will say that this is a terrible idea with the deca - I simply don't agree), it's a potent estrogen blocker in the breast and will stop further development of the breast tissue. It may even revert the tissue if you are catching this gyno early enough.

Start the letro as well and keep with it. Keep in mind however thata rebound effect will occur after letro use, and you will need to follow the letro with a SERM PCT.

If you are truly brave, personally I wouldn't even stop the cycle (However this is a personal choice I would make and I'm sure most guys will think this is a bad idea). I guess its up to you, if you go on PCT now break up the HCG shots like BodyBuilder Guy said, so minimise the effect they'll have, and stick with the tamoxifen. If indeed you opt for PCT now I wouldn't do a standard PCT, I would do an extended one with the SERM and letro after HCG usage (to kickstart balls) and run the letro till the gyno subsides and the tamoxifen long after that by several weeks.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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29 Jan 2010 13:27 #34721 by 00pump
yup you right, letro will only supress estrogen it does nothing for free estrogen, hence use nolva... i still dont see how nolva can worsen gyno induced by deca...

anyway your call... think Inja is right..

if that doesn't work get the op, as nothing is going to work.

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29 Jan 2010 18:16 #34749 by BB_guy
Any news Rothchilds ? Puffiness getting better or worse ? What have you decided on using etc ?

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