big cycle pct = small cycle pct ???

hey guys hope all are well!

so ive read all the posts in the pct category and basically studied doctaris pct. i just want to know if/HOW everything (ie products, dose, length etc) should be different when going on smaller/shorter cycles?

i know its obviously better to be safe than sorry but wont you waste a lot of money for going all out on pct if you were just on a low dose/short cycle?

thanks :side:

can u give us a example cycle. Think it would be easier to go from there.

i dont have a specific cycle in mind, i just want to learn more about the topic of pct as i see it as the most important aspect of any cycle.
but take for instance a guy on 400mg test a week vs someone taking 700mg+ a week for the same duration. will the hcg dosage/duration differ? and what if the one is much younger than the other - example 26 vs 38 - wont the younger guy need less to get natural test levels back up? i just want to understand how factors like dosage, duration and age influence pct protocol... hope it makes sense!

Frikkie:

PCT is very personal and what works for some doesn't work for others, i must say i do find Doc's PCT overkill for most cycles but i have no doubt in my mind that it works and iam sure tons of people can vouch for it!
Best bet is to learn from experience and get bloods etc done constantly when learning to see how certain compounds etc effect you individually- stick to a basic outline if it is unsuccessful then play with it a bit until you find what works.
And ofcourse it is cycle dependent> if you went on a major long bulker with 2grams of aas a week then obviously it will require a more rigorous approach on all aspects from anti-e's to hcg to the pct itself> than say a blitz prop var cycle would.

Peace

thanks (once again +1) mrmoose!
jip i know its very personal so will start experimenting - hopefully not ending up a bald guy with boobs and rosyntjieballas!

just another quick question. what is the best alternative for hcg (getting natural test levels back up)? i need to find something with a known (and short) detection time...?

Shot bru;)

HCG no real alternative at getting your HPTA back on track. As for the test you can give Tribulus a go?? What are you trying to do just up your test levels> are you coming off cycle> tell me what for but tribulus will do the trick moderately well.

Peace

ja ive heard a lot of mixed reviews on tribulus so not 100% sure about that... :S

im not coming off cycle now but planning a cycle starting in about a months time.

you may remember giving me advice on the thread "best strenght for least size" a while ago. at the moment im looking at:

w1-8 test prop 100mg e2d
w1-4 dbol 20mg ed
w1-8 var 40mg ed
w5-8 winny 20mg ed

i know its a low dose and short cycle but i get results very easy and just want a "boost" with little but solid permanent gains (esp in streght). along with pct i can push the cycle up to about 3-4 weeks before comp without testing positive.

my problem now is that the detection time for hcg is unknown and i cant risk testing positive so i need something in stead of the hcg... also do you think adding a low dose of proviron will be usefull?

thank you very very much for all the help!

Nah mixed reviews because people expect too much> its a herb:) ha ha you get what you get and it does its job well in boosting natural levels.

I don't like all the orals in the small space of time, i don't like the dose of the Var (you will get 0 results) and also the length of the Var find magic only happens round week 7/8.

Here is your cycle imo:

Test Prop: week 1-8, 100mg, e2d.
D-bol: week 1-2, 40mg, ed.
Winny: week 6-9, 50mg, ed.

PCT:

Clomid: week 10, 50mg, ed.
Kessar: week 11-14, 20mg, ed.
Tribulus: week 10-15, 1000mg, ed.
Clen: After comp for a month

Should be happy with results.

Peace

ok im going to take your advice and do exactly that. thanks man

just curious, what is your reason for taking the dbol 2weeks @ 40mg vs 4weeks @ 20mg?

Its not really necessary at all because you are using prop but it is a nice little extra boost at the beginning of the cycle will "motivate" you a bit, up your lifts and get you in the zone. I say only 2 weeks because i would like to give the system a nice break off the orals before the longer harsher winny session. Also 20mg doesnt do much at all.

Peace

well im going to put my trust in a guy i never met and depicts himself with the picture of a takbok so lets see how it goes...! :laugh:

thanks again for all the help

Ha ha ha ha:) takbok :clapclap you gotta love afrikaans, only remembered now that that was the name for a moose;)

I promise i know my stuff, that will work well for you bru!

Anytime;)
Peace

Frikkie wrote:

well im going to put my trust in a guy i never met and depicts himself with the picture of a takbok so lets see how it goes...! :laugh:

thanks again for all the help

Takbok :haha you killing me, thats hilarious :laugh: