Thoughts on PCT after LONG cycle

Just some input please guys.
Age 40, 176cm, 89 kg, BF approaching singles quick, Have all kids, vascectome done many years ago....
Decided to experiment a bit.
2007/09 Test suspension, Winstrol susp 20ml's each EOD inj until done.
2007/10 end - Test Prop/ Masteron equal amounts 3 jugs masteron.
2007/12 Added Anavar, dropped the masteron. Stayed on this until...

(I did bloodwork here and consulted with my GP here - all looked good and i decided to carry on)

2008/03 (end) Test prop/Npp/Anavar and now Proviron.
Pregnyl 500iu twice a week for the last 3 weeks
2008/07(for 20 days) TestProp 100mg/Day, Proviron 75 mg/Day
Ovridel 500iu/EOD running out with the Prop.

After this,
100mg Clomid in devided doses 10 days
10 days Kessar 20mg split
10 days Kessar 10mg split

Gains from NPP cycle only REALLY comming through now(12/13 weeks) and i wish i could do another 3 weeks or so.
I haven't looked or felt this good since 23!!! i'm GLAD i did this; well so far anyway.

Do you think the PCT will do?

The ovridel 500iu is really after converting to Pregnyl stats - Ovidrel = 10000iu pregnyl from one of Docs previous posts.

Holy Crap, am I confused, have you been on cycle from sept 2007?
There's a lot of DHT derivatives in there i.e. Winstrol, Masteron, Anavar and Proviron, how'd that affect your hair and prostate?
You say Test Prop + Masteron in equal amounts 3 jugs Masteron??? Is that 3 x 10ml masteron with equal amounts of Test prop?
How long did you run this? at what doses?

If I'm totaly confused and getting the wrong end of the stick, WTF???

You have it spot on - 1ml each 100mg/100mg EOD (30ml) 8 weeks NOV/DEC 2007. (well.... i might have slipped in a couple if 1.2ml'shere and there)
No hairloss - not prone to this. Slight prostate on Masteron. Not Anavar/Winstrol.
Jan/Feb/March it was the same - low Test 100mg EOD. Just floating along.

Hey, i was even considering putting myself on HRT!
I was doing this under Dr's supervision and tests were done in Jan to see if it was OK to carry on. I was leaner, cholesterol down etc.
Nice experiment.... but its over now. I have quite different plans for End-of-year/next year. They do involve EQ/Nandolone so the cycles WILL again be long - this time max 16 weeks at a time but i suspect also no less. Want to try enter a comp or two - at least one in my life.

Hasn't anyone been on this road before? Some old-timers that never came off?
I feel a million bucks where i sit. Last time i was this lean and hard was at 23 when i stopped BB by accident - took a holiday and too lazy to return after 6 weeks - idiot!
This last PGW NPP/TestProp was great. Trying for less injections next time round - i think i wont mind the bloat from the longer esters. I tried to keep it under wraps therefore smal, good quality gains while losing fat. I stayed almost the same weight all the time.

C'mon guys - some comments here? Good/Bad/Any.

Well I'm not quite 40 yet, but I'm encouraged by your results so far. Keen to hear how your PCT pans out. Although I am also looking to gain some weight in the long run.

Re. your last stack, NNP and Kessar PCT. Not sure I fully understand why, but NNP (a progestin) and kessar are supposed to be a "bad" idea.

Although I see you are running Clomid for 10 days before starting with Kessar.

I was around 25%++ BF at Virgin's machines when i started. In the mornings i can see veins in my lower ab!
Still have a bit of loose skin smack in the middle as well as a tiny bit on my lower back where my love-handles used to be.
Fat traded places with muscle in my overall weight.
Im still wearing the same jeans - legs tighter, middle looser. Looking to complete the deal by next year 06/07/08.

Sorry - didn't see the Kessar comment. Yes youre right, but im running an extra 20 days of Prop only before the Clomid as well. reconned that 30 days will be enough to not get hasstles from 19Nor. Also one of my earlier posts Conan advised the same. read up on it and i think it will be ok. Kessar's supposed to be the ONE.

Sounds cool, besides, what you got to loose? You lost the fat, had the snip, all you need is to get your natural test levels back. Who cares about the swimmers:P

Keep us posted

Hey Jackrabbit, Don't know if it's related to the Var, but I'm starting to feel aches and pains. Did you feel the same with all the DHT's you used.
How did the NPP affect you?
Did your joints feel better?

Hi Guys , am planning my PCT and just need some advise , been on my cycle for 3 weeks now and plan to run another 3 weeks . 6 weeks total . Winny & Test , am planning to run Clomid for 3 weeks after , at week1 100mg/day then 50mg/day week2 & week3 . Will this be a sufficient PCT ? Or can I run it at smaller doses ?

Why not run Kessar with your Clomid?

Oupiel, i had aches all the time, but a lot less while on NPP. The worst was with the winny.
Now that i think of it - all the niggly shoulder pains that prevented me from gaining enough sze on my shoulders dissappeared - now they are, after hammies the most improved bodyparts! PGW NPP is nice. Gonna try the decca next.

Netro , do my doses on the Clomid look okay ? What sort of doses would you suggest with the Kessar ?

Clomid in 5 day cycles, 1st: 100mg p/d and 2nd and 3rd: 50mg p/d.
Kessar, start last week of cycle @ 20mg p/d and run for the whole box (30tbs = 30 days)

Thanks , will be in touch soon !

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Sorry - didn't see the Kessar comment. Yes youre right, but im running an extra 20 days of Prop only before the Clomid as well. reconned that 30 days will be enough to not get hasstles from 19Nor. Also one of my earlier posts Conan advised the same. read up on it and i think it will be ok. Kessar's supposed to be the ONE.

Have you finished the cycle. Are you onto your PCT proper yet?

How's it going?
How's your weight holding?

I have 3 weeks Prop(200 EOD)/Proviron(100 ED)/HCG(500iu EOD) left - doing more cardio - definition comming nicely.

Should have done a before and after thing with pics and stats, would have been great to see

You're telling me! whats great is seeing leg definition into groin, and hips etc. I cant remember when last i could see that.

2 days after my last TestProp shot. Read through the Clomid info from the FDA - scary stuff!
Previously Conan advised 21 days of Clomid at 50mg and then another 14 days Kessar at 20mg ( www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/index.php?opt...d=1559&limitstart=30 )
Because of all the Clomid sides i'm now running scared and think i should alter my PCT to the regiment above starting in two days time when i have my last ovidrel shot.
Your thoughts?
Much appreciated!

What in particular freaked you out about Clomid?

After all you've done, nothing should really scare you

See:
www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/clomiph.htm

Nothing i've done thus far even comes close.
Anyway - decided on 50mg Clomid(20 days), 20mg(split) Kessar(30 days).

Just a quick update!

HCG
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In last weeks before the end of NPP:
3 weeks Pregnyl 500iU twice a week.
Last week 500iu EOD
Carried on with Prop for another month during this time:
Reconstituted Ovidrel in 2ml water.
3 weeks Insulin syringe 0.1ml EOD (=500iu Pregnyl).
1 week Insulin syringe 0.15ml EOD (=750iu Pregnyl).

Clomid/Kessar/Proviron

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Last month on Prop used Proviron 100mg/day in 4 doses.
3 days after last Prop shot for 20 days - Clomid 50mg + Kessar 20mg(Split) + Proviron 100mg(Split) /day
From day 21 - 34; Kessar 20mg(Split) + Proviron 50mg(Split) /day
Planning From day 35 - 45; Kessar 10mg(Split)

After all this i will go for FULL bloodwork.

Weght and BF:

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At the start of the NPP cycle i was 93 Kg Not sure about BF.
At Last NPP shot i weighed 89.
After the month of TProp and Proviron 88kg with BF around 13%.
VA machine that i dont trust(Took ave) but the same one where i measured 25% last year.
I was quite surprised as i thought it was lower since i could see my lower abs appearing.
Today i weighed 84.5 the same as the last 2 weeks.

Training:

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First week after last shot i was OK. At the end of the week feeling listless and not really keen to train but pushed through.
Week 2/3 felt the same and tried to do one set less of each exercise.
Power down but not too much.
Week 4!(this week) Got agressiveness back on Tues and REALLY enjoying traing again. Doing less sets but hard as usual.

Libido:

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Definately took a dip, especially week 2 and 3. Funny enough it was at its highest when still on NPP!
Right now i'd say i'm back to normal - wanting it twice a day but will be absolutely satisfied with once EOD.
Wife is VERY HAPPY with me not following her around all the time.

Stopped Kessar 10mg/day on Sunday 15/09. 7 weeks after start of PCT. My strength is returning to where it peaked during cycle; chest and back lagging a bit but the rest are all either up there or higher!
BF Higher, but thats probably because i've been slagging off in the cardio dept!
PCT was alot easier than i thought! It wouldn't have been that way as i had it underestimated before i came here. Cheers to all!

Need to schedule the Blood tests now.