a-dex only for pct

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27 Aug 2008 15:42 #5577 by geneticfreak60
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Is it possible to run a-dex only for pct after a 6week cycle off 600mg test e and 40mg t-bol . I am currently runing a dex at 0.5mg ed to get rid off some gyno and am on a bit off a budget so I was ondering if I could just run the adex? or do I need a serm to get my natural hormones back, Its been 16 days since my last shot and so far im not feeling shutdown or anything.

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27 Aug 2008 19:45 #5585 by Netro
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You need to get some Kessar and should suite your budget.

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28 Aug 2008 12:23 #5605 by MxT
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Look Im stating the obvious here but the working of Armidex and Kessar are not the same. One blocks Estogen binding the other one blocks estrogen production. As a combination they are awesome. If you want to get natural Test up and ruuning again you should use HCG in combination with the 2 - or then HCG and Armi or HCG and Kessar First prize would be both and Im still up in the air about which one i would use on its own with HCG. Armi doesnt really have the benefit of stimulating the HPTA cycle as good as Kessar but it is superior at removing Estrogen from the system. On the other hand it might be TO effective at that as well which has a whole host of other problems.:blink: hope thats confusing enough

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28 Aug 2008 13:27 #5609 by admin
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AI's + HCG is way better than SERM's + HCG... see this post I made: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/index.php?opt...catid=4&id=5608#5608

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28 Aug 2008 14:10 #5615 by MxT
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Very aware that by using Armi/Let let you will get a natural test boost by positave feedback. BUT is blocking all Estrogen or nearly all a good thing- Estogen protect your heart etc. Lipid levels are worse and in conjunction with anabolics that use Estrogen as a growth factor ( read Anapolyn) the net effetc will be less than desired. BUt in all Armidex is prob better agreed. and then the cash factor the best PCT bar none is the one u can afford AND use

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29 Aug 2008 12:47 #5645 by Martin77
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I disagree with using letro or any AI for PCT if no Clomid/Kessar is added. The reasoning is simple. Letro or Adex are both AI's which only stop the conversion from Test to Estrogens but does nothing, I repeat NOTHING as far as the receptor sites on the Hypothalamus which both Kessar and Clomid have been shown to block, so that no feedback is given to the HPT axis.

The feedback mechanism reacts to two things (very crudly stated), amount of Estrogens present and amount of Testosterone present. When the bodies natural Test dips below normal, only Estrogen will inhibit the HPTA. Block the Estrogen receptor sites with a weak Estrogen like Clomid/Kessar and voila, the Hypothalamus thinks it needs to get the Test going again and starts the whole process via the HPTA. The hCG only helps to get one of the blocks in the loop going quicker and is no substitute for Kessar/Clomid. If the hCG is dosed too high, it will just increase the feedback again and the whole PCT is messed up again ....

I'll however check out your suggestion to see if studies with AI's on fertility have been done.

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29 Aug 2008 13:53 #5648 by admin
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I'm walking proof that Letro does in fact increase natrual testosterone production.

You are correct that AI's do not affect the HPTA directly, but since estrogen levels drop the body will respond by releasing more LH than normal to counter the drop in estrogen by means of increasing androgens and thus increasing the amount of androgens the aromatase enzyme will aromatize into estrogens. But remember that the aromatase enzyme get inhibited by Letrozole, so it will not aromitize into estrogens, effectively increasing even more LH.

LH will stimulate the testis to produce more testosterone (androgens) and that is how it works as part of your PCT.

Because estrogen is part of the negative feedback loop of the HPTA, Letrozole (and other anti-estrogens) are able to raise testosterone in male subjects. Letrozole was studied in men, and found to significantly increase LH levels to a 339 and 323% in the young and the elderly, respectively and Testosterone by 146 and 99%, respectively. (3) Letrozole was also able to produce a peak LH response to Gonadatropin Releasing Hormone equal to a 152 and 52% increase from baseline in either young or older men, respectively (3). In a similar study 0.02 mg of Letrozole increased testosterone by 45% after 2 days.

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09 Sep 2008 16:40 #5971 by Martin77
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Ok, I agree with you. Indirect pathway still the effect is noticable.

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