Steroid build up and pct start time.

yes and even at 2mls u are only getting a grand total of 200mg cyp and 200mg enanthate, now longest ester half life is the cyp at 12 days, so 200mg 12 days later is 100mg,12 days later 50mg, which is low enough to start pct...

pump the break down on the super test is as follows per ml
Propionate
40mg,
Phenylpropionate
40mg,
Isocaproate
40mg,
Enanthate
100mg,
Cypionate
100mg

so if u are taking 2mls u are getting
Propionate
80mg,
Phenylpropionate
80mg,
Isocaproate
80mg,
Enanthate
200mg,
Cypionate
200mg

so 200mg of cyp with a ester time of 12 days means at 24days u are at about 50mg of test in the system..

True

The question still comes why is sustanons half life so high then? Because it contains such a small amount of gear.. Take the longest ester it still will not add up...

its got the deconate ester in it that will take longer to clear thats what makes it so long, if u are taking 2mls of sust a week will give u 200mg deconate,so with a half like of 15days, u need to wait 30days for the levels to be less than 50mg roughly,so waiting an additional 6 days if u are using 750mg a week... combining esters shouldnt really change the half life of the drug,its obviously duration of the substance(build up in the system over time) and the dosage used, thats my opinion,if i was using 750mgs of sust a week then i would wait 36-40days before starting the pct...

Hi Guys,

What an insane read.! Wow

I finished my Cypio 250mg about +- 18days ago and my Winstol 30mg a day i finished yesterday. I started on my Clomid 100mg today (the following day) when should i take my hCG 5000iu. I have 2 hCG 5000.

I read the forum, but like I said i started on the clomid today. I understand that based on the "new" info i should of waited longer before starting with the clomid. But already started.

Please advice on my Clomid usage and the hCG.

just postpone the clomid for a week... take the rest and start your full pct then... oterwise pct will be useless... think! think!

So if I finished my course on sustaplex 325 at 3ml's a week= 975 ml a week. What is my waiting time before pct.

Sustaplex is a blend of tests and the longest ester is decanoate which has a half-life of 15 days. Therefore PCT start will be 3 x 15 = 45 days after last sustaplex shot.

so which is it 12 or 36?

days til u start pct after usin s test ?

36

Hi guys,

Firstly this has been one of the most informative threads I have read to date. I'm hoping to get some insight from you guys on a couple of questions I have regarding PCT.

I am a beginner and am planning on what/how I should take my first cycle the right way. My goal isn't to do the one off cycle simply hoping to get "big". I have no doubt in being ready to take a cycle but for reassurance purposes, I am in my mid 20's with 3 years of consistent training and a consistent diet. I have been gathering advice and making sure I am confident I have got everything I need.

My current cycle plan is weeks 1-10 at 500mg of Test Cyp with weeks 1-3 of Dianabol. I am considering altering this to somehow include a short ester such as winstrol considering the info in this thread.

Firstly, I have heard and read a lot about people using aromatase inhibitors in small dosages during the cycle as well as the normal pct procedure, or at the least having it on hand, to combat any side effects that may come up during your cycle. What are your thoughts on this? Based on this thread I shouldn't have any supplementation against estrogen until after the 3x half life period.
My thinking being there is a large period without any supplementation against estrogen and its side effects, potentially given it the chance for side effects to be greater?

With my understanding of things, Nolva as recommended by the sample pct cycles is just a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators meaning it doesn't actually reduce estrogen levels, it just simply blocks them from binding to receptors.

Ideally wouldn't you supplement with Nolva during the cycle and follow up with aromatase inhibitors, which do reduce estrogen levels, such as Letrozole after the 3x half life period for optimal recovery?

Maxx wrote: Hi guys,

Firstly this has been one of the most informative threads I have read to date. I'm hoping to get some insight from you guys on a couple of questions I have regarding PCT.

I am a beginner and am planning on what/how I should take my first cycle the right way. My goal isn't to do the one off cycle simply hoping to get "big". I have no doubt in being ready to take a cycle but for reassurance purposes, I am in my mid 20's with 3 years of consistent training and a consistent diet. I have been gathering advice and making sure I am confident I have got everything I need.

My current cycle plan is weeks 1-10 at 500mg of Test Cyp with weeks 1-3 of Dianabol. I am considering altering this to somehow include a short ester such as winstrol considering the info in this thread.

Firstly, I have heard and read a lot about people using aromatase inhibitors in small dosages during the cycle as well as the normal pct procedure, or at the least having it on hand, to combat any side effects that may come up during your cycle. What are your thoughts on this? Based on this thread I shouldn't have any supplementation against estrogen until after the 3x half life period.
My thinking being there is a large period without any supplementation against estrogen and its side effects, potentially given it the chance for side effects to be greater?

With my understanding of things, Nolva as recommended by the sample pct cycles is just a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators meaning it doesn't actually reduce estrogen levels, it just simply blocks them from binding to receptors.

Ideally wouldn't you supplement with Nolva during the cycle and follow up with aromatase inhibitors, which do reduce estrogen levels, such as Letrozole after the 3x half life period for optimal recovery?

You should extend the dbol from 3 weeks to 4 for better results since the Cyp will only start kicking in at about week 5.

With winstrol you can use it to bridge the gap to your PCT, you will not be able to run winni your entire cycle, you will destroy your liver.

I'm not to sure what you getting at with the AI's

My concern is that the cycle mentioned would be a bit excessive considering it is my first ever cycle.

I don't know how my body will react to it or how dominant the sides will be. Hence as a counter measure I have considered using a SERM like Nolva on cycle to reduce potential side effects and use AI's on the PCT.

Don't use Nolva during your cycle. Use either letro or adex. Just keep it on hand and if you do feel your nipples getting itchy or puffy then start to take the ai mentioned. PCT will be clomid, Nolva and HCG in most cases.

Thanks for the input David. What are your thoughts on Letrozole?

Where I'm from its a lot more difficult to get yours hands on clomid, HCG and Nolva. So far at the best I can source Nolva and Letro. Would just these 2 be enough for PCT if im taking a beginner bulking cycle mentioned above?

Just whilst the Beginner Bulk cycle is being talked about, may I please ask why Test Cyp is favoured over Test E? Does the Test E not kick in quicker than the Test Cyp?

If your asking me, my understanding is they are very similar apart from the half life. In my case cyp is sourced easier and the safer choice, where as the test e has issues with fakes etc where I am.

MK wrote: Just whilst the Beginner Bulk cycle is being talked about, may I please ask why Test Cyp is favoured over Test E? Does the Test E not kick in quicker than the Test Cyp?

I think it is because test E hurts alot more than cyp... but I dont think its really a problem to switch between the two.... also cyp may be a bit cheaper

Ok thanks okes.