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25 May 2011 07:02 #67511 by Empire
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Admin,would like to see if u could get the doc to comment on this :

Single dose of triptorelin gets bodybuilder’s hormones going again
Italian endocrinologists managed to restore the natural testosterone production of a bodybuilder whose sex hormone production had shut down after 13 years of taking steroids. All they had to do was give the 34-year-old man a single dose of 100 micrograms triptorelin. An article by the researchers, who work at the University of Brescia, was published recently in Fertility & Sterility.

The bodybuilder went to a doctor in September 2008 because he was depressed, had no energy and had lost all interest in sex. He told the doctor he’d been using steroids since he was 21.

The guy took 10-week courses. Typically he would inject a daily 25 mg nandrolone and 25 mg stanozolol for the first 8 weeks, and follow it with 2 weeks of 50 mg mesterolone daily [say: primo]. The following week he would take 50 mg clomid daily, and for the last week he’d inject himself three times with 2000 IE hCG.

Well, that’s what the doctors reported. Probably the man took hCG first and clomid after. What’s more the doses sound very responsible to us. If bodybuilders tell doctors how much steroids they’ve been using, in our experience you need to triple the doses.

How many courses the man took each year is also not mentioned in the article.

The bodybuilder did jack up his doses from 2005 to 2008. During the 8 weeks that he injected stanozolol and nandrolone, he also started to use boldenone, injecting an average of 50 mg per day for a period of 3 weeks. And that’s where it went wrong, according to the blood tests. The doctors examined the guy in September, but decided to just observe for a few months. A damaged axis often just needs time to recover. But when the doctors examined the bodybuilder’s blood again in January 2009, there had been hardly any improvement.

The doctors decided to treat the guy with the GnRH analogue triptorelin. GnRH is a hormone that consists of only 10 amino acids. It is produced in the brain by the hypothalamus and stimulates the production of FSH and LH by the pituitary gland. The hormones travel in the blood to the sex glands, where they get these to produce testosterone.

The bodybuilder responded immediately to the hormone treatment. Within several minutes the concentration of LH and FSH in his blood had risen.

The doctors saw the bodybuilder 10 days later. His energy had returned and the testosterone concentration in his blood had risen to 7 ng/ml. Another three weeks later, his testosterone level was still normal, and his libido had returned too.
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25 May 2011 09:10 #67515 by Pumped
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Is this stuff availible in S.A. . Would be keen to get a hold of this stuff.

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25 May 2011 10:09 #67522 by 00pump
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Interesting thanks..

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25 May 2011 10:41 #67524 by Fox
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Boy imagine that, time for PCT, one shot, done.
Wham Bam thank you.
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14 Jun 2011 15:20 #68775 by mac
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I will be starting the Triptorelin after my current cycle. I'm in the states and there are allot of things that are different here like
I'll be running hcg through my cycle at 500 a week till I start pct which will just be nova and clomid. And one shot of the trip.
There areba few studies now that prove hcg will actually shut you down.

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14 Jun 2011 15:36 #68778 by 00pump
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The studies that prove hCG can shut you down are old.. There is a reason why Aromasin and sythetic hCG is being used... hCG most of us run through our cycles at the same dose around 500iu a week. However... a PCT is a protocol put together to help those get their test levels back, it can be adapted if you have not experienced that sort of shut down but using hCG, there is so many principles.. However, we prefer not to take changes and do a comprehensive PCT for when we do long and hard cycles..

hCG only shuts you down because it raises estrogen so at the same time this would be counter productive to the PCT, however using Aromasin or using Nolva past the hCG is all ways that would get around this.

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14 Jun 2011 16:01 #68781 by Deadgoat
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mac wrote: I will be starting the Triptorelin after my current cycle. I'm in the states and there are allot of things that are different here like
I'll be running hcg through my cycle at 500 a week till I start pct which will just be nova and clomid. And one shot of the trip.
There areba few studies now that prove hcg will actually shut you down.


Are you obtaining this stuff over th counter?
Pharmaceutical companies would probably try to discredit it if its as good as it sounds, as they'd lose billions from no longer having to cater for HRT patients

Sorry guys Apparently it is true, cause its happened to certain people already, so I’m not taking any chances !!
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14 Jun 2011 16:03 #68783 by mac
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This is a quote


this hcg article is very good, thanks PP:
HCG - Unraveled

By Eric M. Potratz (Email)

Eric M. Potratz has developed his education in the field of endocrinology and performance enhancement through years of research, counseling, and real world experience. Over the past five years he has been a private consultant for hundreds of athletes and bodybuilders alike, and is the founder & president of Primordial Performance.

PCT is a must upon cessation of steroid use. Many great PCT protocols have been outlined over the years, and many individuals have had success with following such protocols. Nevertheless, what works can always work better, and I intend to show you the most effective way to recover from AAS. This is especially the case for those that have had a lack of success following popular advice. In this article I will address the misunderstanding and misuse of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) and show you the most efficient way to use hCG for the fastest and most complete recovery.

HCG unraveled –

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. (1) More specifically LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.

When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. (2-6,19) However, this degeneration can be prevented by a small maintenance dose of hCG ran throughout the cycle. Unfortunately, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that hCG should be used after a cycle, during PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle.

Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. (21,22) A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (2,11) (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) (12-18) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function.

One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production.

To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. (2-6) Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) The point here is to not judge testosterone secretion capacity by testicular size.



The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. (8) In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. (7) Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production. 20)

These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).

In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.

Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)

Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT.

Recap –

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash.


Proper use of hCG with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids - AAS

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14 Jun 2011 16:06 #68784 by mac
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mac wrote: I will be starting the Triptorelin after my current cycle. I'm in the states and there are allot of things that are different here like
I'll be running hcg through my cycle at 500 a week till I start pct which will just be nova and clomid. And one shot of the trip.
There areba few studies now that prove hcg will actually shut you down.


Are you obtaining this stuff over th counter?
Pharmaceutical companies would probably try to discredit it if its as good as it sounds, as they'd lose billions from no longer having to cater for HRT patients


It has actually been around for years, it has been used on horses throughout the past, and as far as I know only been tested recently. So I'm going to give it go. Will let you know after 12 weeks.
But from other guys who have used it , it works. But only time will tell.

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15 Jun 2011 07:24 - 15 Jun 2011 07:27 #68810 by 00pump
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mac are they using Nolva + Clomid + triptorelin or just triptorelin ? And is it really just one shot, wam, bam, thank you officer?

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15 Jun 2011 15:49 #68840 by mac
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They are using the nova, clomid and trip. There are not a large number who have tried, but the ones I have spoken to said they came back. And yea just one shot. Below is some info from some another forum this side.

It's called triptorelin. It's a GnRH or gonadotropin releasing hormone. From what I've read it starts the waterfall of hormones that we know as our HPTA. It kick starts the Hypothalamus(H) in just one shot which in turn starts the Pituitary(P). The problem we tend to run into are the leydig cells in the Testes(T). They are basically in a coma from exogenous hormones and don't always want to wake up when they are prompted. This is where HCG comes in. It basically prevents your leydig cells from falling into that coma so that when you're own hormones kick in they are immediately receptive.





GnRH (Triptorelin) – The next generation in PCT and fertility

GnRH (Gonadotropin-releasing hormone) or Triptorelin is actually nothing new. Though, with the results from a new study (I’ll get to that later), we are now just realizing its true potential for being a staple in the normal anabolic steroids users recovery or restart. GnRH has actually been used for a long time by horse breeders, and a way to stimulate the anterior pituitary to release follicle-stimulating hormone, or FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - . With this stimulation, the horses became more fertile, and breeding would commence. This helped breeders keep their horses sexually active, and help them become fertile.

First, we will talk a little about FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - . FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - is one of the two main hormones responsible for sexual reproduction regulations (along with lh - leutenizing hormone - ). FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - plays the main role in stimulating the production and maturation of germ cells (which either become sperm in males, or eggs in females). This mean, when your pituitary is stimulated to produce FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - (as a reaction from GnRH), FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - will begin to stimulate the production of sperm in men. GnRH pulses in our bodies, and that pulse controls when we produce FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - .
How does GnRH play a role in this? Well, GnRH is normally a chemical that is sent from our brain to the pituitary to tell it to produce both FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - and lh - leutenizing hormone - . When a small pulse dose of GnRH (around 100mcg) is injected, your pituitary receives that signal to start producing. This will result in both an increase in testosterone serum (as a result from the lh - leutenizing hormone - stimulation) and an increase in sperm (or egg in a female case) count. The result may be a clean and effective jumpstart to our reproductive system for anabolic steroids users, and all that this jumpstart requires is one small dose.

Dosing and side effects

Like many chemicals, we want to really pay attention to our dosing. GnRH makes a great jumpstart, probably now the most effective jumpstart chem, because unlike hcg, it stimulates both lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - to a higher extent and has a much more lasting effect. But much like hcg, dihydrotestosterone, HMB, ect ect, we need to be very careful with our pituitary and avoid hyper-stimulation. We need to pulse it once, at a small dose, simulating the pulse that is normally sent from our brain, and then let our bodies do the rest of the work.
GnRH is so powerful that large doses (around 4mg), repeated once a month, is being used as a chemical form of castration. This dose is so intense on the pituitary, that it hyper-stimulates, resulting in castration-like levels of testosterone serum in the body. Much like hcg, dosing is delicate, and too much is not a good thing. We need to use GnRH as a restart, one-and-done, and not over-do things because it may have a much more opposite and negative effect.

Without any further talk, here is my recommendation for use. One single 100mcg dose per cycle, after all esters have cleared the body and you are 100% ready for recovery. hcg should still be used on-cycle, but in my opinion this full-stimulation should be saved for the PCT and recovery phase. Use hcg on cycle to continue simulating lh - leutenizing hormone - , and then GnRH in the post cycle. Studies I have read have seen results from even 600mcg used in a three-day period, and still hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - function was completely restored, and his hormone levels remained within the normal range during three checkups within the following year. This suggests that the restart will not have the “flare” effect if used at reasonable doses. Another study showed the same effect, with a dose of only one 100mcg injection into a bodybuilder who had been shutdown for 13 years. That said, no more then 100mcg per 4 months. Do not exceed 1mg within a year to avoid the castration-like shutdown of your system. That even gives you room to do it after an 8-week cycle, take the appropriate time off, and then begin another. And for oral-only cycles that are under 8 weeks, save your money, as Triptorelin is not cheap stuff. Better yet, don’t do oral only cycles, as they are a waste of time, but that’s a whole nother fish to fry, which I will do later.

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15 Jun 2011 19:57 #68851 by Wilson
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Thats insane , i have got to try find this stuff! :)

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15 Jun 2011 21:19 - 15 Jun 2011 22:18 #68855 by mac
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check this out www.ergo-log.com/follistatin.html

We just got the go a head to get this now. It's called Follistatin 344.
I do not know what you guys think about something like this? The results on mice studies are amazing but thing there is allot more to consider.
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16 Jun 2011 08:39 - 16 Jun 2011 08:43 #68857 by Ontong
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mac wrote: I'm in the states and there are allot of things that are different here like
I'll be running hcg through my cycle at 500 a week till I start pct which will just be nova and clomid. And one shot of the trip.
There are a few studies now that prove hcg will actually shut you down.


Hi there Mac, look I am still a newbie on this forum, but from the quality of information we get from this forum, in my opinion you are either a newbie yourself or inexperienced, the guys from the states can maybe learn something from the Gurus on this forum.
No disrespect intended, but triptorelin will be studied in depth by us aswell and shortly in my opinion also set the president to its use B)
i.e if we haven't done so already
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16 Jun 2011 14:59 #68872 by mac
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Ontong you seem to be taking everything the wrong way. Maybe you are to young to understand a debate.
At the end of the day it is personal preference, and with regards to trip all this could mean there needs to be testing done and maybe SA does not want to import it as there is not much to go by now. In ever once put SA down for anything.
I never once said that this forum or you guys are out of date, it's all personal preference. I've done doctori,s pct and it is remarkable but all I am Sharing is what I have found out here, so if there is a problem with that then o well. But if I am wrong with any statement that I say here I'm sure one of the gurus will explain why Im wrong, so I will be learning some more. The quest is more knowledge isn't it? Not to put others down for Sharing info.

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16 Jun 2011 17:15 - 17 Jun 2011 08:43 #68878 by Ontong
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mac wrote: The quest is more knowledge isn't it? Not to put others down for Sharing info.

Understood, no heat taken and none given.
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17 Jun 2011 07:56 #68915 by 00pump
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End of the day, I can't comment on this stuff unless I try it, however I see triporelin a very useful tool for guys that are older.. When a person is in his late teens early 20's, PCT in some cases isn't even needed and Libido is still high as well as test levels, however late 20's early 30's more and more people are complaining about libido and test levels just not 100% there (yes age is the factor here) and once you start getting into your 40's +, PCT isn't even going to cut it and you have to rely on HRT, however with HRT you run the risk of developing polycthemia which is a very ugly condition to have you and you going to need 10 lt's of blood pumped out of you a week, so even people on HRT it is advised to take a break and using something like triptorelin might just be what the person can get away with if hCG and a SERM just doesn't work well enough... As for some triptorelin might not be the answer at all and hCG works much better, so unless more people use it and report back results its very difficult to say it's any better than hCG ..

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17 Jun 2011 15:04 #68940 by mac
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Great post pump. I def agree, and age is a big factor regarding pct.
I'm not to sure if aloud to but will ask your permission first, there is a great and extremely trustworthy website the delivers peptides internationally of course they are only " research " peptides. I'm not to sure how If I can pm you?

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17 Jun 2011 16:07 #68949 by Ontong
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Would be interested aswell, let me now.

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17 Jun 2011 16:17 #68950 by mac
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I can post the website, it's nothing illegal or anything to do with gear it is only peptides for research only.
But before I do post it, can a moderator just make sure it's fine if I do. Don't wanna brake rules or anything.

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mac wrote: I can post the website, it's nothing illegal or anything to do with gear it is only peptides for research only.
But before I do post it, can a moderator just make sure it's fine if I do. Don't wanna brake rules or anything.


If that site sells anything and that includes so called "research chemicals" then you cannot post it here.

Anything posted on this forum that will allow a visitor to gain access to any form of performance enhancement drug will get us into trouble. It's no secret that these pages are monitored by law enforcement and the moment sources are posted it will make us guilty of something. This site is not doing anything illegal, but it's up to members here to use their heads when they post or they will be banned.

If it's a site only providing info (like us) then you are welcome to post their URL here.
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17 Jun 2011 17:05 #68954 by mac
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Great thanks allot admin. Would not want to put this site at any risk.

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18 Jun 2011 20:08 #69013 by admin
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Admin,

Here follows a short reply to the question..

Triptorelin, as far as my knowledge, is no longer available in South Africa. It has been replaced by the GnRH analogues Buserelin ( Suprefact by Sanofi), Goserelin (Zoladex by AstraZeneca) and Leuprorelin (Lucrin by Abbott Labs). Buserelin and Leuprorelin are indicated in the use of advanced prostatic cancer, where total suppression of testosterone is needed - hence the dosages range from 9,9 milligrams to 11,25milligrams - read medical "castration" levels. Zoladex is indicated for advanced breast cancer, also at high dosages.

I've known about the GnRH analogues for many years. So, why have I not used it as PCT? Simple answer - your HPT-axis is a very sensitive system. Once you have buggered it up, it won't rebound. I designed my PCT protocol specifically to hit the testicular level and NOT stimulate the HP-part of the axis directly. The latter is the most sensitive part of the axis. You have to be extremely careful of dosaging stimulating these sensitive glands directly. With my protocol, even if it takes longer than that "shortcut one-shot" everybody is always looking for, the HP -part is stimulated by physiological levels of hormone production from the testii. Then, also remember why I prefer Ovidrel above HCG. Ovidrel, being only the alpha-subunit of the HCG molecule, binds to three different receptors - FSH, LH and TSH. Why do I prefer to use the Clomids first? Studies have shown it to "prime" the testii for the first LH response. That initial testosterone response after the Clomid and first LH surge, will lead to high testosterone production, which will easily estrogenize. These high estrogen levels then again will suppress the HP-axis part - that's why tamoxifen is used to counter-act this estrogen production in the testii.

I prefer this protocol and not to use protocols of hormonal stimulation directly to the HP-axis. I leave this sophisticated stimulation to Endocrinologists that perform these interventions in a very controlled enviroment. And the average b/builder that injects himself at home, is definitely not the "controlled enviroment" I'm referring to here..

I have followed a group of athletes (elite level b/builders in RSA) over the last 2 years as part of my research for my Masters Degree. All of them follow my protocol on PCT and I have followed these guys up after their respective PCT's were finished - none have not responded adequately to my PCT protocol. The average weightloss post -cycle was less than 10% once the PCT was finished. All of them rebounded their HPT-axii successfully with the minimum loss in physical conditioning.

Then, on the subject of on-cycle HCG stimulation, I never was a believer in this, as it physiologically does not make sense to me. If you show me the research studies that prove otherwise, it might "re-educate" me to better knowledge.. And please don't show me anecdotal stuff or research done in animal models.

Just to re-iterate - I'm very weary of direct stimulation to the Hypothalamus-Pituary gland.

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Doctari.

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18 Jun 2011 21:06 #69018 by 00pump
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Man, thanks admin! I love reading docs posts, he is so jacked... The above article was on a person who didn't respond to hCG however the protocol did not include aromasin does not include the clomid and switch to nolva and does not use synthetic hCG..

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18 Jun 2011 23:23 #69021 by mac
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Yea that's a really good post, thanks admin and doc. Really explains things a lot more, really enjoy the detail.

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