PCT 4 an ox

Hennie
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04 Jul 2011 17:19 #69915 by Hennie

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Hi Guys and hopefully Doctari - im still busy planning my next cycle and was wondering what effect the following might have on my PCT planning if any.

The "bull" was snipped into an ox a few years ago and i therefor have no means or desire to have more kids - does this mean i have "less of an issue" with my PCT ?

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spike
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04 Jul 2011 17:21 #69917 by spike

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No, but this does mean you are ripe for TRT

Um, but im scared of needles...

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Hennie
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04 Jul 2011 17:30 #69923 by Hennie

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Spike, im still stupid bud - TRT ??

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spike
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04 Jul 2011 17:36 #69925 by spike

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haha, testosterone replacement therapy. Basically a long term, low dose exogenous testosterone supplementation

Um, but im scared of needles...

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Hennie
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04 Jul 2011 17:37 #69926 by Hennie

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Ok and i presume thats from my doc. ???

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spike
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04 Jul 2011 17:39 #69927 by spike

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Well if your doc will prescribe for you. If not, then you can run it yourself. Speak to jackrabbit for more info, he's on a trt dose

Um, but im scared of needles...

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Hennie
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04 Jul 2011 17:43 #69929 by Hennie

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THX bud, will do

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jackrabbit1
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05 Jul 2011 08:34 #69964 by jackrabbit1

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Hi Hennie. First step - Blood work and general health checkup. Full hormone panel and throw the rest in there as well - Cholesterol, Thyroid, liver, sugar, Red Blood count, KIDNEYS, prostrate.
I have a habit of doing checkups so if you havent yet - Cardiologist(Heart),Gastro interologist (Colon/Throat/Stomach + outlet to small intestine). Organ sonar scan including Aorta.

You dont want to run into trouble which could have been prevented. Best to acknowledge your intensions to your doc or at least test the waters to determine his level of hostility. Ask him what his stand is on Testosterone supplementation.

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Hennie
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05 Jul 2011 09:17 #69969 by Hennie

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Thx jackrabbit1, will do. how low a dosage is concidered trt and not a cycle or does that depend on the "current/normal" levels i have now ?

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jackrabbit1
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05 Jul 2011 14:30 - 05 Jul 2011 14:31 #69985 by jackrabbit1

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You will have to get the tests done, but once TRT is warranted and started your body will shut downnatural test production(i keep it going with HCG 250iu once or twice/ week depending on how i feel).
TRT dosages vary. Lately the Docs administer Nebido 4ml 1000mg every 3-4 months with a booster half way.

I put myself on 250mg Testoviron(Test Enanthate) / week
Too much for TRT standards but then i have a bit more than just TRT in mind.
When it becomes time to cycle i just bump up dosages and stack other compounds.

Read all about AAS profiles here www.steroid.com/steroid_profiles.php

This site is informative but i dont know how up to date the material is forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?72-H...Alternative-Medicine
Then you might want to join Dr Crislers mailing list www.allthingsmale.com/index.html

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00pump
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05 Jul 2011 15:00 #69991 by 00pump

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End of the day, look what a healthy person produces, and you looking at a teenager producing around 80mg a week, so if you getting in around 60mg /80mg of test a week, I would say that is close to TRT per week.. Again this is not to be done by yourself, and a doctor should do tests and you take it from there.

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Hennie
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05 Jul 2011 15:34 #69994 by Hennie

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Thx, will deff have the tests done but just 4 interest sake, if you do yourself say with 1/2 or 3/4 of a ml of testaplex c200 once a week, how long would u b able to do that 4 and would u still do some kind of pct or just maybe an AI with it?

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05 Jul 2011 18:31 #70000 by 00pump

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No AI and that would be TRT, no PCT and you stay on for ever.. I would still have 4weeks breaks every 6 months due to polycythemai.. but that's just to play it safe

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jackrabbit1
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05 Jul 2011 20:35 - 05 Jul 2011 20:37 #70003 by jackrabbit1

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Yep - you will see that most guys who are monitored stay around 100mg/week enanthate. Some a little more and others a little less.

I go for Tests every 3-4 months or so. Doc tests Liver/PSA/Kidneys/RedBlood count (for polycythemia) and whatever else is needed at the time.

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Hennie
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05 Jul 2011 20:38 #70004 by Hennie

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This all sounds good but hell your butts gona be like a sif after a year or two. Eina hell !!

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jackrabbit1
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05 Jul 2011 20:53 #70006 by jackrabbit1

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Thats why TRT is Test Undecaonate (Nebido). And then 1ml goes a long way before you hit the same site again - L/R Delt, L/R Quad, L/R Glute. Then you have lower and upper glute, lower and upper quad where you inject into a totally different muscle.
I sometimes split a 4ml dose into 2 just for one side Glute.

But it is annoying. So if you arent up to it go the Nebido route. You can then just supplement with your own stack on top when you cycle. PCT becomes almost a non-issue that way.

Its a major decision so read up on it. I keep the door open with HCG twice/week. Dr John Crisler recommends it anayway since there are many advantages to it. Good for the spirit so to say.

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Kingfish
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06 Jul 2011 09:15 #70026 by Kingfish

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Howzit Guys,Ive been on Nebido for a year now,what would constitute a PCT
for me now after a cycle?Just another shot of Nebido?

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00pump
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06 Jul 2011 09:56 #70031 by 00pump

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If you using TRT, you don't need to use your traditional PCT's, and you just cruze on with your Nebido.. I would do bloods every 6 months to make sure your RBC count is not too high..

In future, please create your own thread..

Thanks

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Hennie
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06 Jul 2011 10:11 #70033 by Hennie

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Hey OOpump, thats interesting. Does that mean if im on TRT and then do a cycle with more testo etc for a while and stay on the TRT afterwards that i dont have to worry about PCT ??

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Ondier
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06 Jul 2011 10:12 #70034 by Ondier

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jackrabbit1 wrote: Full hormone panel and throw the rest in there as well - Cholesterol, Thyroid, liver, sugar, Red Blood count, KIDNEYS, prostrate.

What does a blood test like this cost?

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jackrabbit1
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06 Jul 2011 20:48 #70068 by jackrabbit1

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Ondier wrote:
jackrabbit1 wrote: Full hormone panel and throw the rest in there as well - Cholesterol, Thyroid, liver, sugar, Red Blood count, KIDNEYS, prostrate.

What does a blood test like this cost?

The hormone panel is expensive so you dont do that often. Its to determine your baseline hormone levels.
The others not too expensive and they are always covered by my medical aid. Every 3-4 months depending on your cycles.

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STUARTF
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17 Aug 2011 12:37 - 18 Aug 2011 10:15 #73171 by STUARTF

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Hi guys. I also want to get some blood work done. So just want to confirm what the essentials are:
Liver
Kidneys
Red Blood Count
Thyroid

What else?

I've also heard that Dischem offer blood tests. Does anyone kniw what they test for?

Thanks (will start my own thread)

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