SERM's and AI

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09 Sep 2011 10:29 - 09 Sep 2011 10:32 #75454 by MrMuscle
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Sup chaps.

I'm realitively new to this industry and am having a bit of a struggle understanding the difference in application of SERM's and AI's.

I'm aware that SERM's, AI's and HCG's can be combined. Also SERM's only could be used, but can AI's only be used within your stack?

I'm intending on using a Equip 200/dianabol 10mg stack. 200mg/week and 30mg/day. Problem is my budget can either support an AI (Arimidex) that i'd like to take during the course or SERM (Clomid and Nolvadex) after the course (PCT).

Please advise?

Thanks.

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09 Sep 2011 10:48 #75456 by STUARTF
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Oey, DJ is not going to be happy with u with that avatar. There's only one squirrel on this forum I'm afraid.

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09 Sep 2011 10:56 #75459 by MrMuscle
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Oh....didnt realize. All good

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09 Sep 2011 14:45 #75467 by STUARTF
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Thats better.

Where's the test in your proposed cycle? You must always run test with Equi and try include it in all cycles for that matter.

Hope you know that d-bols must only be run for max 4 weeks at the begiining of the cycle (always better as a frontload).

Not sure what you mean by "10mg stack"??

There is no choice for you about running an AI or PCT. PCT is crucial and MUST be included no matter what. Your SERMS (clomid and nolva) are essential for PCT. An AI is good to have on hand but is not essential unless you prone to estrogen sides or are running a very haevy test cycle.

You need to do more reseach I think?

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09 Sep 2011 19:36 #75477 by MrMuscle
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Thanks Stuart. Because of the following, i did not think it neccessary to include a test :"Methandienone is a derivative of testosterone and has very strong anabolic and androgenic properties." I did however forget about the 4 week cycle bit....thanks.

So should i perhaps slot in some T-probolin 100 from the 5th week until the end of cycle (10 weeks total).

With regards to "stack", i was referring to the equipoise and d-bol. 10mg being the strength of the d-bol (total 30mg per day).

I appreciate the advice, cheers.

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09 Sep 2011 21:27 #75478 by DKSA
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dont allow budget to make you skimp on constructing a more sound, 'complete cycle' and pct than a slap-bang cycle. Rather start the cycle later and save up the funds to to build that strong foundationed 'complete' cycle.
equi is a very expensive compund and so is arimidex. Arm yourself with knowledge or you can end up losing alot of money on gear with minimal to no return and mess yourself up.
What are your stats?

look for a thread on
-what a first cycle should look like
-check sample cycles
-doctari pct
and look up why it is a good idea to base a cycle with a testosterone, even if its a HRT doses!
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12 Sep 2011 15:18 - 13 Sep 2011 18:47 #75653 by MrMuscle
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Thanks DKSA. Advice noted *Thumbs up*

I'll be sure to read those threads in my spare time.

STATS
HEIGHT:180 CM
WEIGHT:96/97 KG
AGE: 30
BODY FAT: 25%
GOAL: BULK

I have just recently adjusted my protein intake and started carb cycling, so those stats will probably adjust in the next few weeks.

Protein - between 250 & 280g a day (incl shakes)
Carbs - 400g on training days (incl shakes) & 200g non training days (no shakes)

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21 Oct 2011 10:23 #79097 by Mfezdro
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Hey Mr Muscle

I would also take a look at the 200mg/week Eq. I have just finished a course and was taking 575mg EQ/week. Results were very slow. I would honestly say you need to at least double that Eq or you are wasting money. Bear in mind you will need to run that Eq for at least 12 weeks too, mine only really started kicking in around week 7. Also, listen to the more experienced guys like Stuart F, you must stack with Test from day 1. I resisted this but thankfully reason prevailed.

As for PCT, I started noticing shutdown 2 weeks after I finished the cycle and was in the waiting period. I would not want to do this course without PCT. I didn't take any AI'S and had no problems, but in my experience with this cycle Clomid/Nolvadex/HCG is not even a question.

Hope that helps bud. Good luck

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21 Oct 2011 10:24 #79098 by Mfezdro
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Hey Mr Muscle

I would also take a look at the 200mg/week Eq. I have just finished a course and was taking 575mg EQ/week. Results were very slow. I would honestly say you need to at least double that Eq or you are wasting money. Bear in mind you will need to run that Eq for at least 12 weeks too, mine only really started kicking in around week 7. Also, listen to the more experienced guys like Stuart F, you must stack with Test from day 1. I resisted this but thankfully reason prevailed.

As for PCT, I started noticing shutdown 2 weeks after I finished the cycle and was in the waiting period. I would not want to do this course without PCT. I didn't take any AI'S and had no problems, but in my experience with this cycle Clomid/Nolvadex/HCG is not even a question.

Hope that helps bud. Good luck

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