2nd cycle pct advice pls

Howsit guys this is gona be my 2nd cycle. My 1st was tren ace 75mg eod and test prop 100mg eod. Screwed up with pct as the guidance I was getting was shoddy at best after doing my own reading. So for my 2nd cycle which will begin in 3-5 weeks I will be doing test en @ 600 mg/week and eq @ 350 mg/ week... Now I do get shrinkage and gyno symptoms( mainly tiny hard bumps around my nipple area) I have hcg nolva and clomid on hand as well as letro drops. What pct protocol should I follow and what ai's or serms on cycle would be advisable. My diet is good( not great) and gym 4-6 times a week
Stats before 1st cycle 26 yrs old
Height 179 cm
Weight 75
Bf 13
Currently stats are 27
Weight 85
B6 11

Any advice and direction from the veterans here would be greatly appreciated

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Hi spyke

How long is your cycle going to be? Equi and Test Enan are both long esters so wouldn't go for anything below 10 weeks. Aim for 12 -14 weeks cycle length.

Sounds like you are prone to gyno sides so I would run the letro throughout. Letro can be run 0.2mg EOD.

Your PCT should consist of a week of clomid at 100mg/day, followed by Nolva at 20mg/day for 3-4 weeks and 1500iu/week HCG. This will be a level 2 PCT (see Guide to PCT contruction - PCT section)

Also, who told you to run tren for your first coarse.... very hectic. Usually one only thinks about tren after years of steroid use.

Stuartf! Thanks for the prompt reply hey,

I completely agree with you, that compound should not have been in any of my future beginner cycles! I was like a teen eager to lose his virginity, lack of knowledge and research and eagerness clouded my better judgement, and I paid the price, 14 weeks of sweats, injection tren cough and progestin buildup and pinning eod and I'm that much wiser for it... Wnt mess with tren, not for a looooong time!
Hence this cycle I've researched and gotten to know as much as I can suck in! But 1st hand advice is always better!
So back to my noob mistake,
I'm planning on doing both compounds for 10 weeks with a dbol frontload for the 1st 2 weeks @ 50mg/day? Advisable?
Then planning on running supertest for a further 2 weeks beyong the cycle...?
Also have proviron on hand, heard it shouldn't be used as part of pct as it is hpta suppressive? So should I still run the letro @ .2 mg eod? Even with the prov?
Going to give protocol 2 a good read and follow it to a t...
Wana get this cycle under my belt seamlessly.
But yeh thanks for the kick in the right direction! Advise is always a good thing
thanks my man

Dam!!! Went onto the pct construction post for level 2 pct protocol but was unable to retrieve the info as the files have been removed... What to do? What to do?

I'm not sure why the files have been removed but protocol 2 PCT looks like this

PCT
week 1 - 100mg clomid/day (split 50mg morning, 50mg evening)
week 2 - 4 - 20mg/day nolvadex
week 2 - 4 - 500iu EOD HCG

Proviron can be run throughout your cycle up until PCT but not in PCT as it is still suppressive. Letro can be run with the prov no problem.

I would also try run the Equi/Test for longer if you can. 10 weeks is the bare minimum but 12 - 14 weeks is optimal. Equi especially kicks in very late, I only really start seeing any noticable effects after 8 - 10 weeks.

Maybe increase your d-bol to 4 weeks at 40mg/day however 2 weeks d-bol @ 50mg/day will also give a nice kickstart to the cycle so its up to you.

So do you want to run Supertest after your 10 weeks Testen/Equi? I wouldn't do that if thats what you mean. Rather run the ST with the Testen/Equi as it also conatins long esters. If you only start the ST after the 10 weeks you will have to extend the cycle to 20 weeks + which is too long.

Great stuff that looks solid to me!
Okay cool, so I don't need to run test 2 weeks longer than eq hey?
So I'd start pct between 14-21 days after my last pin?
Just a couple more question about hcg... Should I run it during the cycle to speed up recovery? And shouldn't hcg be run before clomid and nolva in pct? Just wana know as much as I can bout this stuff

Hey bud - Have a look at this. Should answer most of ur pct q and when to start pct.

Guide to PCT Construction

Also look at upping eq dose to atleast 525mg a week

Some people like to run test a bit longer than Equi because Equi takes a bit longer to clear. I never have and always run them the smae length.

PCT will have to start 3 x length of longest ester which is Equi at 14 days, so PCT will have to start 42 days after your last pin. You can possibly run proviron or winstrol to bridge this period.

All HCG will do while on-cycle is keep your balls from shrinking but there is no evidence that running HCG throughout will mean a more successful PCT.

Read Doctari's posts on PCT and he expains why clomid/nolva/HCG are timed in such a way during PCT. As far as I can remember the clomid stimulates LH hormone to restore HPTA in a so called "initial phase", thereafter HCG regulates the restoration of the HPTA and restores natural test production. The nolva is used purely as an anti-estrogen to combat post cycle build-up.

Shot for the heads up guys!
So one week of clomid at 100mg/day
Followed by 3 to 4 weeks of nolva.
Then 1500 ius/week of hcg?
Dam 42 days is a long ass time. Possibility of crashing during this period?gain loss?
That link to the pct construction doesn't work though... Would be helluva interested in reading it though!

Thanks for the clarity and the advice! Much appreciated. Will post on this thread as to how cycle turns out

Oh and wouldn't be able to dose up to 525mg as I only have one bottle of eq 350mg/ml. Dosed at 525 I'd end up with half a bottle at the end of the course.
Gear list consists of the following
1 bottle lp clomid
1 bottle lp nolva
1 vial hcg
2 vials pgw testen 300mg/ml 10ml
1 vial pgw equi 350mg/ml 10ml
2 bottles of dbol oc labs 10mg per tab 30 tabs
2 bottles of proviron
1 bottle of lp clen drops
1 bottle of lp letrozole

So yeh just getting a cycle going with what I have one hand

spyke wrote: Shot for the heads up guys!
So one week of clomid at 100mg/day
Followed by 3 to 4 weeks of nolva.
Then 1500 ius/week of hcg?
Dam 42 days is a long ass time. Possibility of crashing during this period?gain loss?
That link to the pct construction doesn't work though... Would be helluva interested in reading it though!

Thanks for the clarity and the advice! Much appreciated. Will post on this thread as to how cycle turns out

not really, the hormone accumulates in your system and builds up, which means that about after 42 days have passed, only then will hormone levels drop to below natural levels and will muscle loss occur.

The thing you shouldnt do is restrict calories in the bridge period, then you will hurt your gains.

Diet is key, as always.

Thanks guys! Feeling massively more confident about pct... Can't believe all the misinformation out there about this topic. Definately did pct on my 1st cycle completely cockeyed!
Getting really keen on starting my cycle toward the end of october, beginning of november! Will ask further questions concerning the aforementioned cycle!

Doctari's pct regarding aromasin...
Can I get away without using it or is it a must?

Doctari's PCT or Level 3 PCT is designed for really heavy cycles with many different compounds including high 19-nor & test doses and long cycle lengths.

There is no harm adding aromasin and will be beneficial but is not necessary for your test/eq cycle.

Alright guys just an update, my supp is giving me ovidrel instead of hcg... How would the protocol change?

It would make it better

How would the dosing change from 1500iu of hcg /week to ovidrel. I'm set on starting this cycle on or around the 14th of December. And my mate will be doing the exact same cycle starting in the next few days. Would be grand on having the pct doses set so it wnt be an afterthought.thanks guys