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11 Jan 2009 13:51 #8546 by Inja
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Hello guys.
Hope I'm not stepping on any toes, but since the forums are a place for discussion and we are all here to learn I thought I would post my thoughts on the matter.

I was reading over some of the posts in here and found some points where I disagree a little…

Firstly I see no point in prescribing clomid for PCT. Both clomid and kessar are structurally related SERMs and both perform the same function, but kessar is much more potent. It has already been posted on this forum that 20mg kessar raises serum testosterone by 150%, the equivalent of 150mg clomid. So we know 20mg kessar = 150mg clomid. But why prescribe clomid with kessar in a PCT protocol? They both do the same thing.
In addition, although kessar is strongly anti-estrogenic in the hypothalamus and pituitary, clomid only potently anti-estrogenic in the former, and in fact is slightly estrogenic in the latter. Therapy with clomid also seems to advocate a small rise in SHBG, resulting in less free serum testosterone when compared to treatment with kessar.

Secondly I don't think HCG should be used for the entire durations of the PCT schedule. I agree that it useful on cycle when using large doses of gear to keep that boys manufacturing, but one must also remember that treatment with HCG provides its own negative feedback loop that inhibits the secretion of LH. LH as you know is needed for testosterone production. One uses a SERM during PCT to stimulate the production of LH for test production, and HCG to as an LH-like molecule to stimulate test production but at the same time inhibit LH production. Using both until the end of PCT will leave you with high test levels and low LH levels. Although LH levels recover much quicker than test levels, this protocol will still result in an initial crash in LH, and thus a crash in test following the cessation of PCT. I think it is better to use HCG following the cycle to kickstart the testes, and then follow this with SERM (without HCG) to bring back LH production and maintain test production.

Thirdly, I am strongly against bridging during PCT unless you are leading up to competition. If your PCT is pre comp then by all means bridge, but otherwise I feel that PCT should be solely directed towards HPTA recovery! Yes low doses of AAS are not that suppressive, but they are suppressive nevertheless, and if your hormones are already shut down post cycle, this effect will be magnified. Do not add AAS into your PCT protocol.

I usually use 250i.u. - 500i.u. HCG and 20mg kessar ED for two weeks following last injection, and then follow that with roughly 6 weeks of kessar at 20mg ED.
Thanks for your time bro's. Comments?
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11 Jan 2009 13:53 #8547 by Inja
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