Letro Vs Exemstane

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03 Feb 2009 16:43 #9240 by Mighty Mouse
Letro Vs Exemstane was created by Mighty Mouse
I was wondering if anyone can give me more info on these 2 in the sense of whats the difference and how to use them in and after cycles.

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03 Feb 2009 23:13 #9247 by Doctari
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Just do a search please - I have written extensively on their differences and when to use which one where.

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04 Feb 2009 22:30 #9275 by Oupiel
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From www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/spo...rugs/research_update

Research Update #3 — Anastrozole (Arimidex) and Letrozole: Not So Equipotent After All?

Back when anastrozole and letrozole first seemed to gain popularity among bodybuilders, the data—which many were forced to rely on—indicated that both compounds at the dosages employed for labeled use would suppress estradiol by 80-90%, often leading to suppression below the range of detection, in postmenopausal women. Furthermore, in vitro data indicated that the two compounds were equipotent in terms of their ability to inhibit aromatase. With that available data, it was often applied to healthy men as well.

Although this wasn't the intended purpose of it, a new study has revealed that the initial conclusions were wrong. This most recent study had shown that when 10 mg/day of anastrozole was given to two groups (young and older) of normal men, it only resulted in a decrease in levels of estradiol by about 25-50%, allowing estradiol to remain in the normal physiological range.

Actually, the 50% reduction in the younger men (18-33) remained in the physiological range while the older men (60-76) were just below the normal range after the 50% reduction. This is to be expected though, as the older men are starting with lower estradiol to begin with.

Another study in which men ages 60-90 were supplemented with 100 mg of Testosterone enanthate per week concurrently with 1 mg of anstrozole per day, again found a 50% reduction in estradiol. Previous studies in normal men, one using 10 mg/day, another using 1 mg/day, again have found an approximate 50% reduction in estradiol, leaving it within the normal physiological range. An older study using 15 elderly, eugonadal men, found a 29% reduction of estradiol when given 2 mg/daily for 9 weeks.

Letrozole, on the other hand, was able to decrease estradiol by 50% in men after they were given only 100 micrograms! Furthermore, it only takes around .5 to 2.5 mg to suppress estradiol below the normal physiological range in normal men (age range of 20-48).

As I’ve pointed out in a previous column, letrozole is an extremely potent aromatase inhibitor and should either be used sparingly or not at all. However, Anastrozole seems to have a lot more room for error in terms of not suppressing estradiol to subphysiological levels.

So, why the discrepancy between the efficacy in postmenopausal women versus normal healthy men? Simple. Postmenopausal women are obviously deficient in estradiol to begin with and are obviously lacking a great deal of the necessary substrate (i.e., Testosterone and via more indirect pathways, 4-androstenedione and DHEA) for estradiol formation.

Healthy, younger men have plenty of substrate with fully functioning testicles and thus you then see a postmenopausal woman’s top end of the normal range equating to less than half of what a normal man’s would be. That is, a normal postmenopausal woman has a serum estradiol concentration of around 72 pmol/L or less, while a normal adult male's is around 37-184 pmol/L.

Other things worthy of note include a study in which the decrease in estradiol from anastrozole over a 12-week period, using 1 mg/day versus 1 mg, twice weekly (Mondays and Thursdays) wasn't statistically significant.

The Bottom Line

Letrozole appears to be a much more potent aromatase inhibitor than anastrozole in men. However, due to letrozole’s pharmacokinetic properties and extreme potency, anastrozole would be preferable over letrozole as it allows room for error.

Anastrozole at a dose of .5 to 1 mg/day could be used effectively to moderately reduce estradiol, allowing you to still remain within the physiological range. There’s also some preliminary data that suggests using anastrozole at 1 mg twice per week (for men) may be as effective as daily administration of the same dose.


Research Update #4 — More Anastrozole (Arimidex) News

The update is actually derived from one of the same studies mentioned above. In it (double-blind, placebo-controlled and randomized), they took both 31 young (ages 18-33) and 20 older (60-76) healthy males and gave them 10 mg/day of anastrozole for five days.

They then measured serum concentrations of LH, Testosterone, SHBG and the molecular ratio of Testosterone to SHBG. What they found was that the older men had a diminished response to the aromatase inhibitor in terms of LH pulse amplitude and frequency, as well as total Testosterone and the Testosterone/SHBG ratio.

The authors, based upon this study and a good deal of previous data, concluded that the two most likely causes for such results are:

1) An impairment of GnRH release/secretion from the hypothalamus or some sort of impairment in the ability of GnRH to reach the gonadotropic cells of the anterior pituitary.

2) Impairment of steroidogenesis in the leydig cells as evidenced by a reduced responsiveness to recombinant LH, hCG, as well as estrogen antagonists and GnRH in terms of endogenous Testosterone production.

Now, whether this impairment at the leydig cells is G protein-coupled receptor-mediated or whether the defect is post receptor-mediated with the defect occurring downstream somewhere, is an important question. I tend to believe it’s the former.

In any event, this provides the perfect opportunity for use of a compound which works directly at the testicular level, and obviously not via a receptor-mediated mechanism. Compounds which would potentially fit this category would be eurycoma as well as those that directly and potently activate adenylate cyclase, bypassing the LH/hCG receptor on the leydig cells. Sclaremax would be an example.

The Bottom Line

As men age, we tend to experience a disruption in normal homeostatic function. Specifically, it’s likely that both an impairment of GnRH secretion (or access to the anterior pituitary) and decreased testicular steroidogenesis contribute to the decrease in endogenous Testosterone.

Compounds which increase testicular steroidogenesis via non-receptor-mediated mechanisms are most preferable in terms of a potential means of combating this age-related decline. (1-9)

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04 Feb 2009 22:46 #9276 by Oupiel
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From www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/spo...oids_drugs/cyborg_20

The Scoop on Letrazole

Q: Have you learned anything new lately about letrazole?

A: While it’s not really "new" there is something that many people don’t know in terms of just how potent letrozole is when it comes to suppressing estradiol formation and increasing LH. All too often, I’ll see various "experts" on these steroid-related message boards espousing high dosages of letrozole each day. And all too often, people who listen to them end up suffering from symptoms of subphysiological estradiol levels.

Anyhow, with that in mind, a single, 20 microgram dose in healthy males decreases estrone by 70% as compared to baseline and estradiol 30% after 24 hours. Keep in mind that the normal dose is 2.5 mg!

What’s more interesting is that it took approximately five to six days for estrone and estradiol to return to baseline values. Furthermore, it also increased endogenous Testosterone production by 150% as compared to baseline at 48 and 72 hours and was still elevated above baseline three weeks later.

Again, this is after just one dose of 20 micrograms! Pretty cool! Furthermore, LH just barely returned to baseline before the three-week range. Just to throw in some additional info, 100 mcg decreased estrone and estradiol by about 70% and 50% after 24 hours respectively. Estrone still hadn’t returned to baseline values after three weeks while estradiol returned to baseline after about a week.

Testosterone increased by approximately 150% and didn’t return to baseline by three weeks while LH was still elevated at three weeks. For those who look closer, there are some underlying mechanisms for such effects which have yet to be elucidated.

In any event, it’s interesting data, which above all should reveal to you the high potency of this aromatase inhibitor. Last, for those who I can already hear saying, "But dude, they weren’t taking Testosterone so this data can’t be applied 'n stuff," let’s dig out our biochemical knowledge from our memory bank.

With letrozole, we’re inhibiting a great portion of the small amount of enzyme (aromatase) we have in the first place and what enzyme is left is essentially saturated with endogenous substrate (Testosterone) and thus, adding in more substrate will do little to increase estrogen levels, if at all. (7)

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