Ciccone, what's the general consensus?

Hi Admin
When I said its not the gear I meant that there is nothing wrong with it in the sense that It wasn't made poperly as you say some might experience pain from certain tests if its dosed closer to 300mg/ml or a very short ester like suspension im not arguing that.

I appologize if the post rubbed you up the wrong will put more thought into my posts in future.


@VXM in future stick to brands you know bud like PGW

I hear you lobo, would have run PGW but couldn't get it this time and I have time constraints so I needed to start the cycle.
Part of me is curious to see if maybe I react to something in Test-E since I have only used Cyp in the previous cycle.
Will see in the future

We are not rubbed up at all, we simply asking questions.

Hundreds, shot guys!

VXM wrote: So far as anyone on this forum knowing anything about me....that would concern me. So far as I am aware I do not know of anyone that posts here irl and I am sure most people would like to keep it that way.

Nobody knows anything about you, that's precisely the point I was making by asking lobo a rhetorical question.

lobo wrote: When I said its not the gear I meant that there is nothing wrong with it in the sense that It wasn't made poperly...

How do you know? UG labs fuck up all the time.

@ Admin....Hang on a minute UG's make fk up??? So that means im a test guinea pig?

Ravage wrote: @ Admin....Hang on a minute UG's make fk up??? So that means im a test guinea pig?

Yes, don't tell me you didn't know that underground means it's not made under controlled pharmaceutical standards.

admin wrote:

VXM wrote: So far as anyone on this forum knowing anything about me....that would concern me. So far as I am aware I do not know of anyone that posts here irl and I am sure most people would like to keep it that way.

Nobody knows anything about you, that's precisely the point I was making by asking lobo a rhetorical question.

I know, guess I just got carried away in my response there, I can ramble for no reason on a good day.

Hard to believe that a UGL that have been manufacturing for just over two decades or any other that has been in the business for a long time makes fuck ups all the time if they do which is possible in anything the percentage is low would think goods labs have measures in place to keep thier products at a certain standard would be in thier interest. Shitty labs or kitchen cooks I can understand that happening regularly.

If there is a legitimate problem with vmxs gear he should contact them to my knowlegde they will sort it out.

Admin I am simply giving an answer to your question the way I see it if im wrong pls correct me.

What's your association with this lab?

I didn't know this Ciccone has been on the market for over 20 years or were they rebranded recently?

Isn't Ciccone just re-branded Namad Labs?

No association with them other than a few dealings, the guys involved with the brand have been in the steroid business for that time ciccone is meant to be a sister company of nomad thats as much as I know about them.

lobo wrote: No association with them other than a few dealings, the guys involved with the brand have been in the steroid business for that time ciccone is meant to be a sister company of nomad thats as much as I know about them.

Sister company is just a fancy way of saying that the same factory produces them or they are owned by the same people.

Thing is that I understand enough of the politics to see why a name change was needed. Nomad has lost popularity over the last couple of years, but one thing they still have to their advantage is a very solid distribution network and when you have that in place you risk very little with a re-branding of your product. Basically the Nomad distribution network is their most powerful asset and far more valuable than the Nomad name.

Re-branding of Nomad to Ciccone makes perfect sense because they can start fresh without the stigma of poor quality attached to the Nomad brand and because they already have the distribution network it's a very painless process to promote the "new" brand. It could also be that new partners got involved and that required a "new" brand so that Nomad and Ciccone can be distinguished, but I'm just guessing and don't give a shit about their management.

What I do care about is that the forum is used/abused to promote a brand as something new and wonderful when it's just an old wolf in sheep's clothing.

lobo, I'm not accusing you of any wrong doing, but had to ask what your involvement is. For someone with no association with them other than a few dealings you came across as very determined to keep their name in the clear. The irony is that getting a few knobs from injecting a high dose testosterone product is not considered a sign of inferior quality and is not something that will hurt the brand in any way whatsoever. A good brand will promote itself and any effort to artificially create hype around it will just cause it to backfire, I know I've seen it happen before.

Completely understand where you coming from Admin I would feel the same way if I was in your position its your forum and I respect the way you want it to be run. I haven't been involved in the steriod scene in south africa to know much about the workings of it so its interesting to learn a bit about whats happening.

Im glad its been cleared up, enjoy been a member here and would like to keep doing so, learnt a shit load from you guys and continue to. also wouldn't want to be worring about yourself and oupa coming looking for me...haha

Thanks

lobo wrote: Completely understand where you coming from Admin I would feel the same way if I was in your position its your forum and I respect the way you want it to be run. I haven't been involved in the steriod scene in south africa to know much about the workings of it so its interesting to learn a bit about whats happening.

Im glad its been cleared up, enjoy been a member here and would like to keep doing so, learnt a shit load from you guys and continue to. also wouldn't want to be worring about yourself and oupa coming looking for me...haha

Thanks

Mate, not to harp on about this, but the fact that you've used a certain product without PIP or negative reaction does not mean it applies to everyone else. Even if the product is completely sterile, people react differently to the carrier oils, such as GSO, MCT or EO. Also, people have different tollerances to BA levels.

Was mentioned a few posts back

lobo wrote: Was mentioned a few posts back

There you go then. A local lab I know recently switched over their whole range from GSO to MCT because lots of users reported PIP :ohmy:

On top of that, it's hard to QC all the raws from China. Even the best UGLs sometimes get burned, but what sets them apart is that they're prepared to set things right.

A dealer at our gym started pushing this Ciccone
like crazy and therefore I don't trust it that much,
because that just means largest markup.

Am currently using there Winston and results are impressive although could also be the deca taking serious effect 12 weeks into 20 week cycle

so what is the consensus now on Ciccone? I have heard from a few guys who use their stuff that it is really decent. But yeah i know it is different from person to person.

Demolish wrote: so what is the consensus now on Ciccone? I have heard from a few guys who use their stuff that it is really decent. But yeah i know it is different from person to person.

I've never used their stuff, so I can only give my opinion. Since it's essentially a re-brand of Nomad Labs I would say they should be ok to use.

I'm actually a tad concerned about Ciccone they seem to be coming out with new compounds a little too often e.g Frag peptide, PEG MGF......feels dicy

Just as an update from my previous posts:
Moving on to the second little bottle of Test-E, I have had far less issues in terms of the knots/bumps.

Each bottle was from a different batch, the expiry date on the first was 2019, the second 2020 as well as the bottle(multi dose vial, before I get corrected) on the first was a little taller and thinner, the second a little shorter and wider.

So, hopefully it was just a bad(for lack of a better term) bottle and the rest of the cycle goes smoother.
(It's odd when 2 days after injecting you think of that Fergie song, Humps or whatever )

Other than that, product is working as intended so far.

i also got a little bump from Axio test Cyp a few times, the next vial didn't do it at all. might just be a reaction to the oil used.