which anavar to buy?

Inja wrote:

Woah Hold your horces HaVoK bro,

We don't know anything about you, how old are you, what are your stats, should you even be using gear... I'm not convinced that the answers will be good ones...

This is what we already know about you:
1) You have no clue what steroid compounds exist and what they do so you haven't read alot of profiles. I say this because you though prop was an oral. Since profiles are the first thing newbs read, it is evident you know nothing about gear.

2) You have not researched the principle of cycleing gear and PCT. I say this because you have just finished a 50mg / day var cycle (which
I'm not sure you should've done in the first pace) and are now starting another cycle immediately afterwards. Then you ask Brandon why he is coming off gear for so long. You do not understand the timeon timeoff concept of cycling and you didn't even know you needed PCT for Var.


I seriously doubt you are ready for gear, and before you take those orals I think you should do two things...
1) Post up age, stats, etc... so we know what we are dealing with.
AND
2) Go read the FAQ thread in the General section.


Sorry bro, its just that the post you have made are making me seriously doubt your steroid aptitude...

^^^^ the above advice epitomises what the forums here are about...getting quality advice and quality guidance in an area that is foreign to most.

Age, weight, height, BF %, training experience etc.

I think you are too young to start using gear. Wait till you are 21 or older. Get your diet and training in order and you should see excellent gains naturally.

HaVoK wrote:

Thank you for the criticism Inja, I do not take any offense to what you have just said because this will help me enhance my knowledge on gear. I am 18, i weigh about 98kg's and am 1.92m tall. I will not start my next course without fully preping for it and learning from you guys. What exactly do u mean by stats?

well stats is what you just gave, age height weight etc...dude you're too young for gear...oh milktuds beat me to it, oh well but now you have two people telling you the same thing and the other members will tell you the same

dude,

im 26. wait the extra couple of years and sort out your diet before you think about gear. seriously, all the guys (and girls) will tell you that diet is key to gaining muscle and losing fat etc etc

Post up your full stats and then post up your current diet and training in the appropriate subsections. We're not saying leave the forum, we would love for you to stay and learn bro!!! But if you stick around, and get diet, supplement, and training advice from us for now, you will grow just as well as you did with the var. Hopefully you haven't fucked with your naturally high test levels to much yet by using the var, so that you can make the most of your natural gains.

That being said how fat are you? 98kg is some good mass for your age if you are lean, which may mean your natural peak is far higher than most. Then in a few years when you do a proper cycle you will really be massive.

pretty lean i do i have some excess fat on the stomach which im getting rid off. i will post my diet, training, supllements in other sub sections

Shweet bro, so basically no six pack but no serious rolls either. So you'll lean out in the high eighties I'm assuming...

Thats spot on bro. So i do have 2courses of LP var that i havent started yet, because i would rather take your guys advice than screw everything up. So ill wait till im ready to use it. I train 5 times a week. and my diet seems pretty good as ive lost 4 kg's in the 2months ive been on it but also earned some lean muscle. Do u want me to post up exactly wat i eat/

Yeah that would be good bro, and your training split wont hurt either.

LP Var is mild but the idea is to save it for when you need it in a little time when you plateau again. How long you been training for again? What sports you play?
Usually people taut steroids that convert to estrogen as those that stunt growth but I thought I should mention to you that oxandrolone can also stunt your growth bro. Generally under 18's are only given in the region of 5mg a day. And even this dose can upset hormones in such a way that abnormal estrogen levels cause premature capping of bones etc...
Just thought I'd explain one of the risk associated with taking steroids at your age.

ive been training for about 3 years now, im a rugby player so our school has us in the gym about 3 times per week and the i do additional 3 training sessions at my own gym. And thanks for the heads up on the var side effects. What do you mean by when i plateau again?

HaVoK wrote:

ive been training for about 3 years now, im a rugby player so our school has us in the gym about 3 times per week and the i do additional 3 training sessions at my own gym. And thanks for the heads up on the var side effects. What do you mean by when i plateau again?

a plateau is basically a sticking point in your training when you just cant seem to get any better results, whether it be breaking through your max bench or gaining more muscle mass. At your age I would be surprised if you`ve reached one yet.... If I were you I woud`nt even consider gear. The risk is too big. The amount of gains you can make from just having a natural well worked out diet that includes a lot of protein and carbs combined with natural supplements are huge. This plus a solid gym routine and a good amount of commitment will sort you out.

Ak ok i see, ok i agree with that, so im not planning on touching my gear until ive reached my "plateau" as you say, most of the guys at my gym agree with wat u guys have posted so what im planning to do now is train hard with only protein and maybe a creatine, no gear what so ever! And have a good balanced diet. I eat alot of protein during the day but my carbs are limited as i am not sure which vegetables i should eat etc. and i tend to stay away from bread, i eat broccoli and brown rice every day and im getting sick of it, is there any other starches packed with good carbs that i can eat to benefit my teaining?

Thats good to hear man. Sense and sensibility has prevailed! :laugh:

In regards to the carbs, stick to the complex carbs, these are the carbs that slowly release energy into your system as opposed to simple carbs that cause short term spikes. The timing of the intake of your carbs is important too. If you get your carbs right you `ll be able to give it 100% during your workout, get it wrong and you`ll struggle.Not sure how long you train for but for but for your weight you need about 7-800gs of carbs a day if you training for approx. 2 hrs.

You can get CC`s from foods like, oats, beans, potatoes, whole wheat pastas/ breads etc.

I would recommend that you get yourself a good multi vitamin, creatine, glutamine and a good whey protein. Thats the minimum I would say you need at this point.

Well not sure about 700-800g carb, but as an active rugby player you need to base you calorie intake around 4000cal. Something like 4500 for weight gains and 3500 for weight loss. Haven't done the exact calculations but I'm sure its around here somewhere.

1g carb = 4 cal
1g prot = 4 cal
1g fat = 9 cal

Something like 40:40:20 is good. You can up the carb ratio when gaining mass and lower it when dieting.

I love brown rice, chow dat shiz all day long, but potatoes are my next favourite.

Ok kewl, i do enjoy potatoes so i tink i can add that to my diet, i eat oats in the morning so thats good to and i eat alot of beans as well so thats also good, i do have a whey protein im using Gol Standard whey and im using Gaspari Super Pump 250 as a pre workout, wat is a good multi vitamin?

Gold standard can be pricey, if you don't mind unflavoured whey you can contact LSJ and ask for the wheyhe gets. It comes strait from clover so the price is drastically lower. And whey is whey.
I'm not sure how much creatine the Super Pump 250 provides, so you might wanna add some extra 5g of creatine monohydrate post workout together with your high glycemic carbs and whey.
If you got the cash animal pak and Optimen are great multi's, if you on budget Biogen has their multi on special for ~R1 a tab right now.

EDIT// Just realised you got some cash bro, Buying Gold Standard, Super Pump and Oxandrolone... I suppose this'll make it easy for ya to put on mass. I'm one of those on a real tight budget and once accomodation, food, and petrol is paid for I have very little to set aside. So I'm always looking for somewhere to save.

Oh ok i see, so is whey from LSJ just as good as any other because its costs me about a grand for doggy bag of gold standard for 2months supply. Ya i dont drink and stuff so the allowance i get is spent on supplements.

Well whey is whey bro, amino acid for amino acid its the same from one company to another as long as its purified to the same degree. The supplement companies do flavour it up nicely and make it mix in well and all, so if you need a pretty shake then expesive supplemnts are the only whey:)
I for one just take the whey because I need the protein, I don't care that it has no flavour, I don't care it clumps sometimes and doesn't always mix in hundreds. Heck sometimes I just use my mouth as a blender (actually most of the time). You could think of LSJ's whey as the raw ingredient in supplemnt company whey.

I am starting to much prefer no flavour... specially when you having allot of it... sometimes the flavours just get a bit much....

and I don't care if its a bit lumpy, normally isn't but a bit frothy at times.. just let it settle for a few minutes, but the small ammount of water you need, I don't care just down it...

I just add about 10g cocoa powder and some sweetener.

Ok kewl, yea i dont mind unflavured stuff, in fact the gold standard whey im using now makes sometimes want to vommit after i drink it, it tastes like water with a hint vanilla which is like :X

switch to LJS whey... after 2 weeks you wont want to have a different flavour... well il not a sweet person, don't like sweets and stuff so I much prefer it..

Where can i find LSJ Whey?

email him,there is a thread in the dieting and contest prep section about whey protein concentrate orders

ok kewl thanks alot