H.O.T.

Firstly i'm a newby to this forum and just want to compliment the spirit and invaluable info here.

Secondly has anyone come across a product called H.O.T.( 165 mg avena sativa extract. 6-acetoxy-3-hydroxy-17-keto-etioallcholane, 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyl-3-keto-delta-1,4,6-etioallocholtriene, condensed agaricusbisporus extract )
Health med tech. Cape Town.

it claims to be a form of PCT ! boost nat. testosterone , modulate fat causing estrogens, decrease water ret. and boost labido !

good or bad stuff ? (hope i stuck this under the correct category )

It's average, basically what you can expect from an otc supplement. I have heard of guys picking up quite a bit of weight on it but i think they were talking kak tbh.

I used it and picked up 2kg's or so and strength went up a bit so it does work to an extent, but for all i know the 2kg's could have been from my dieting and starting out on a new work out program.

Last a checked there is no H.O.T in SA till mid November though due to a lack of raws to make it..?

And on another note, may have just been mind games but my libido was dead flat in the 3rd week of use, no drive what so ever. You will probably be better off buying something a little more worth while hope this helps

cheers.

Thanks Chapel, i have a bottle i received some time ago. Just wasnt sure where to use it. Post cycle or during cycle or maybe cycle of its own ? maybe not at all !!

its designed as a PCT for superbol which is a prohormone but a lot of people take it on its own and in no relation to PCT, just as a normal supp.

Definitely don't rely on HOT for pct if you are doing a cycle of proper steroids haha if you are looking for a pct rather go look under the PCT tab on the forum and look for doc's protocol.

So to answer your question:

-yes to PCT for superbol (maybe add in Nolva too, quite a few guys recommend that)
-yes to on its own if you just want to try it out.
-no to using it as a comprehensive PCT for a proper steroid cycle.

ok, if used on its own.Will it suppress my own hormones and require a PCT after or not ?

The guy i bought it from seemed to think it would and said it required a PCT, which confuses me as it is designed to be used as a PCT.

You are gonna have to wait for one of the more experienced guys to advise you on this, i can't give you a proper answer but if you look at it logically i don't think you will need a PCT as its an OTC supplement and its main purpose is for PCT. But like i said rather wait for a more experienced answer

I would not see the point of using it on it's own, if you looking to boost test levels then use testosterone, and do a proper PCT. Until somebody has actually shown results of their bloods after using it I say it is a waste of time and rather use Nolva/Clomid in your PCT.

I have used H.O.T and its useless... take pumps advice.

I have done some research into this compound...
It contains methyl-ATD, which is a steroidal Aromatase inhibitor...

It is a suicide inhibitor, much like aromasin, it prevents estrogen from being created and therefore your body starts increasing its testosterone production so that test can be converted to estrogen, but this does not happen...

on the other side the compound also binds to the androgen receptor and renders it inactive (which is a bad thing)

A training partner and I (both naturals at the time) have both used this product before and both of us have found it to work quite well,( he gained 7kg and could see his abs before and after the cycle) I also gained weight but that does not say a lot, since I only have to look at carbs to gain (fat mostly)...

What I have to say is this, I got really bad side effects from this product

Back Pumps
Dry Joints
Strong smelling Urine that had a brownish colour
Itchy Nipples
About two to three months after the cycle I also developed gyno...

My guess is that after estrogen has been supressed for so long, it creates a rebound after you go of cycle, meaning that your body starts to convert all that floating testosterone to estrogen to create some balance...

I have since done real steroids.... and my conclusion is that if you are prepared to play with HOT, It is my opinion much better to just do the realdeal...

If I am correct this product was first brought out by ALRI, and was in their products Ultra Hotter and Jungle warfare... If anybody wants to do further research...

If it is a Type I aromatase inhibitor then it will not have issues with estrogen rebound as there will be no estrogen, only Adex/Letro which are Type II will have issues with rebound.

Bottom line, your friend could have gained that muscle and can't prove it was the HOT, unless he actually did bloods and saw an increase in testosterone production

I wont argue with that...

But Im still saying... Real Streoids are much better...
and use tried and tested pct chems...

I know of someone who was selling this because they never had HCG and then at one stage they never had Nolva, so how can you sell steroids without providing a PCT, what better way than to punt this product.

I have read an university study on the compound, it was proven to raise testosterone... But because of the action it also had with the androgen receptors, causes it to be a pretty useless compound...

en nou het ek nogsteeds fokken gyno!!!!

Wonder if it really was HOT that I used...
and not something else...

OH I forgot, I also Had yellow Nails after using it for a while... Liver damage?

sheesh bro, sounds scary

Well boys, i think enough said. My bottle is in the trash !!

herholdt wrote: Well boys, i think enough said. My bottle is in the trash !!

Dont worry u doing the right thing.