Creating our own Pre- and Post-Workout

Being a man of science I believe that using the right chemicals could definitely make a positive difference to your results. However, I feel that the post-workouts and especially the pre-workouts that are so well marketed these days are not getting it right. An example is using DMAA and Caffeine (vasoconstrictors) alongside Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (vasodilators). This makes NO sense and infact having them in your system in conflict at a time when you need to be on top form is not something I would choose. Companies also have a tendency to BS you on the amounts they use in your expensive pre-workout and you could very well be paying R400 for a small tub of cheap carbohydrate filler.

So! I have decided to create my own pre- and post-workout using raw supps (mostly purchased from Ondier) which I know is 100% pure and surprisingly affordable. The following is how a gym session would usually go:
Note: AKG= Alpha Ketoglutaratet

1 Hr before- Oats, Raisins and Honey

Pre-Workout (30 mins before)
2g L-Carnitine
5g Beta-Alanine
7g L-Glutamine AKG
3g L-Arginine AKG (Vasodilator and Nitric Oxide generation)
6g Creatine Monohydrate
2g Taurine
7g Branched Chain Amino Acids(BCAA'S) (I use Scivation Extend which takes care of flavoring the mix)
Electrolytes also from Xtend
As much water as what makes it taste the best for you. Normally about 500ml.

Intra-Workout (Sip throughout session)
7g BCAA's with about 1L water

Post-Workout (within 15 mins after your last exercise)
7g L-Glutamine AKG
6g Creatine Monohydrate
5g BCAA's
40g Vitargo/Dextrose Monohydrate
1g Taurine

So far I am very happy with the results. Please remember that diet and motivation is EVERYTHING if you want to achieve results. Science will just make it easier and better for you to perform consistently at peak performance, as well as help shitloads with recovery times.
Anyones 5 cents would be appreciated.

Well that is basically the pre workout i do myself as well. I just leave the creatine out and add 2g of taurine. Good mix there bud!

Very similar to my preworkout drink except I double all ingredients mentioned and add dextrose to my intra workout. Agree 100% with your statements on preworkouts and post workout marketing gimmicks. Good mix

This is an opportunity for a great bssa branded stack!
I hope Ondier reads this, and creates his own product with your recipe (if you are cool with it of course).
Im thinking you could call it "BSSA Pyro" or "Pyro Pump"

I wouldn't purchase all these products individually but would definitely order a tub of this if the ingredients are genuine.
Well done and thank you Pyroclasm!

Thats awesome stack bro, but arginine and glutamine competes for the same receptor so maybe i would add that to my post workout drink rather than pre.

How much does the price work out if you make a pre-workout with all those aminos monthly?

Great stack bro!

Pyroclasm wrote:
1 Hr before- Oats, Raisins and Honey

Do you take this in raw as is, or which whey or in cereal form with milk?

gorilla wrote: Thats awesome stack bro, but arginine and glutamine competes for the same receptor so maybe i would add that to my post workout drink rather than pre.

How much does the price work out if you make a pre-workout with all those aminos monthly?

Great stack bro!

Very very cheap comparatively speaking, altogether will cost about R600 but will last at least 3 months for preworkout, vitargo is a bit expensive but lovely stuff

Hey Koe! You should still be sleeping bud! Time for a little recreation big fellow :lol:

How do you order from Ondier. What's the process from start to finish

Pyroclasm wrote: Being a man of science I believe that using the right chemicals could definitely make a positive difference to your results. However, I feel that the post-workouts and especially the pre-workouts that are so well marketed these days are not getting it right. An example is using DMAA and Caffeine (vasoconstrictors) alongside Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (vasodilators). This makes NO sense and infact having them in your system in conflict at a time when you need to be on top form is not something I would choose. Companies also have a tendency to BS you on the amounts they use in your expensive pre-workout and you could very well be paying R400 for a small tub of cheap carbohydrate filler.

So! I have decided to create my own pre- and post-workout using raw supps (mostly purchased from Ondier) which I know is 100% pure and surprisingly affordable. The following is how a gym session would usually go:
Note: AKG= Alpha Ketoglutaratet

1 Hr before- Oats, Raisins and Honey

Pre-Workout (30 mins before)
2g L-Carnitine
5g Beta-Alanine
7g L-Glutamine AKG
3g L-Arginine AKG (Vasodilator and Nitric Oxide generation)
6g Creatine Monohydrate
7g Branched Chain Amino Acids(BCAA'S) (I use Scivation Extend which takes care of flavoring the mix)
Electrolytes also from Xtend
As much water as what makes it taste the best for you. Normally about 500ml.

Intra-Workout (Sip throughout session)
7g BCAA's with about 1L water

Post-Workout (within 15 mins after your last exercise)
7g L-Glutamine AKG
6g Creatine Monohydrate
5g BCAA's
40g Vitargo/Dextrose Monohydrate

So far I am very happy with the results. Please remember that diet and motivation is EVERYTHING if you want to achieve results. Science will just make it easier and better for you to perform consistently at peak performance, as well as help shitloads with recovery times.
Anyones 5 cents would be appreciated.

How's ur "pumps" on this combo

ice-rip wrote: How do you order from Ondier. What's the process from start to finish

bssa.wozaonline.co.za/ try this one ice you'll get most the info you need, you can use the contact us from there

Thanks Brother

That pre workout combo for me works fine. Its difficult to say if the pump is much better than without it. What i can say is that my endurence in the gym def increased and recovery is better

For interest sake: i have not been using a off the shelf pre workout in about 7 months. Friend gave me his muscletech neurocore the other day (hates the grape flavour). I have added it to my own little formula for some taste and i have to say, the 2 or 3 times i have used it i was much more vascular than normally and it basically lasted the rest of the day. Not saying its the neurocore but the combo def did something.

I tried making my own preworkout before too and whilst I had some tingle it couldn't come close to muscle marinade. So there's obviously tons of research that goes into an off the shelf pre which can't just be discarded. Or is it that dimethlyhexanamine in it that makes the difference

LXIX wrote: This is an opportunity for a great bssa branded stack!
I hope Ondier reads this, and creates his own product with your recipe (if you are cool with it of course).
Im thinking you could call it "BSSA Pyro" or "Pyro Pump"

I wouldn't purchase all these products individually but would definitely order a tub of this if the ingredients are genuine.
Well done and thank you Pyroclasm!

Kekeke I'm liking the idea of 'Pyro Pump'. It gives the idea that my bold ideas have combined with the respect and experience of ooPump.

gorilla wrote: Thats awesome stack bro, but arginine and glutamine competes for the same receptor so maybe i would add that to my post workout drink rather than pre.

How much does the price work out if you make a pre-workout with all those aminos monthly?

Great stack bro!

Thanx bro! Please elaborate on this Arginine vs Glutamine argument.

beemer wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:
1 Hr before- Oats, Raisins and Honey

Do you take this in raw as is, or which whey or in cereal form with milk?

I take my 60g oats in a cereal bowl and fill it with cold water till it covers the oats. Microwave for one minute, then add the raisins and honey. Easy as that! And as a normal meal you combine the oats with chocolate or vanilla whey. Tastes amazing!

Koe007 wrote:

gorilla wrote: Thats awesome stack bro, but arginine and glutamine competes for the same receptor so maybe i would add that to my post workout drink rather than pre.

How much does the price work out if you make a pre-workout with all those aminos monthly?

Great stack bro!

Very very cheap comparatively speaking, altogether will cost about R600 but will last at least 3 months for preworkout, vitargo is a bit expensive but lovely stuff

Bro Vitargo and Dextrose Mono do exactly the same thing. Potato Potaaato... Ondier sells Dextrose at R25/kg. This is one of the cheapest supps in my opinion.

ice-rip wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Being a man of science I believe that using the right chemicals could definitely make a positive difference to your results. However, I feel that the post-workouts and especially the pre-workouts that are so well marketed these days are not getting it right. An example is using DMAA and Caffeine (vasoconstrictors) alongside Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (vasodilators). This makes NO sense and infact having them in your system in conflict at a time when you need to be on top form is not something I would choose. Companies also have a tendency to BS you on the amounts they use in your expensive pre-workout and you could very well be paying R400 for a small tub of cheap carbohydrate filler.

So! I have decided to create my own pre- and post-workout using raw supps (mostly purchased from Ondier) which I know is 100% pure and surprisingly affordable. The following is how a gym session would usually go:
Note: AKG= Alpha Ketoglutaratet

1 Hr before- Oats, Raisins and Honey

Pre-Workout (30 mins before)
2g L-Carnitine
5g Beta-Alanine
7g L-Glutamine AKG
3g L-Arginine AKG (Vasodilator and Nitric Oxide generation)
6g Creatine Monohydrate
7g Branched Chain Amino Acids(BCAA'S) (I use Scivation Extend which takes care of flavoring the mix)
Electrolytes also from Xtend
As much water as what makes it taste the best for you. Normally about 500ml.

Intra-Workout (Sip throughout session)
7g BCAA's with about 1L water

Post-Workout (within 15 mins after your last exercise)
7g L-Glutamine AKG
6g Creatine Monohydrate
5g BCAA's
40g Vitargo/Dextrose Monohydrate

So far I am very happy with the results. Please remember that diet and motivation is EVERYTHING if you want to achieve results. Science will just make it easier and better for you to perform consistently at peak performance, as well as help shitloads with recovery times.
Anyones 5 cents would be appreciated.

How's ur "pumps" on this combo

I am always comparing to the pump I got from Jack3d or MP Assault. To be honest when taking my combo I get the feeling that my pump is from sound scientific logic rather than from stimulants. So the pump is still there just as much as the other ones, except you have endless energy and don't have that rediculous crash after three hours. One time I crashed so hard from Jack3d that I had to cancel the rest of my day!

I heard they compete for the same receptor site and thus when taken together one of the two acid will be ineffective.

ice-rip wrote: I tried making my own preworkout before too and whilst I had some tingle it couldn't come close to muscle marinade. So there's obviously tons of research that goes into an off the shelf pre which can't just be discarded. Or is it that dimethlyhexanamine in it that makes the difference

That tingling feeling is from the beta-alanine bud. I tingle from the inside out on my combo.

Wow looks great will definitely try this out!
Great stuff Pyroclasm!!!

Shouldn't whey be somewhere in there, especially post workout? Or am I missing the bus..... :huh:

@rvdwalt4: Pleasure bro be sure to give some feedback

@NorthBoooooooooooooooy: (Just had to!:silly: haha) Thing is BCAA's are the basic building blocks of protein. You could take whey as well, but the BCAA's will be absorbed and distributed to the muscles a lot faster. Very important is that meal within an hour after your post-workout shake- that's where I would put the whey or another good source of protein.

pyro, what do you think about changing the arginine for citrulline malate? I've read a few articles claiming that citrulline is better in terms of NO production.