mach4 eca stack?

I recently decided to use a eca fat burner iv had a choice between beesting,heat and mach4. The guy I get it from only has mach4 instock at the moment this product is by biopharm technology, its a white bottle with a black and blue label is this a real eca stack or not??? Iv heard that mach4 is usually a white bottle with a red and black label with a red cap.

I'm using the biopharm one, white bottle with black and blue label. Definitely works! Heat also works, it's a white bottle switch red and black label.

ECA stack's are legal in South Africa... So you shouldn't need to get it from some possibly dodge source.


I used ONE Hyper Burn, it seemed to work. Chrome sell it.

1 cap = 30mg Ephedrine HCL, 200mg Caffeine, 100mg White Willow Bark (aspirin).
I disliked the ECA stack as I ended up being light headed while on it, felt as if I was going to faint at times.

ECA is illegal, I believed it was banned in the early 2000's...

Smith wrote: ECA is illegal, I believed it was banned in the early 2000's...

That long already ?

Yep I'm quite sure. Remember Muscletech and most other companies fat burners used to contain ephedrine. Why would they remove it if it was legal? ECA/Y is one of the most effective fat burning supplements ever made.

OP, Mach4 isn't as easy to find as the others you mentioned but I've good reviews of it.

Ephedrine in cold medicine is still found in the USA but isn't available here in ZA (because we all use it to make tik) Pisses me off. Yet in some (non-pharmacy) supplement stores you can get it in fat burners as well as yohimbine. Like what?

Smith wrote: Yep I'm quite sure. Remember Muscletech and most other companies fat burners used to contain ephedrine. Why would they remove it if it was legal? ECA/Y is one of the most effective fat burning supplements ever made.

Muscletech I hold in such low regard. They currently have like 4 versions of Hydroxycut out now. All of them probably equally ineffective.

Furk wrote:

Smith wrote: Yep I'm quite sure. Remember Muscletech and most other companies fat burners used to contain ephedrine. Why would they remove it if it was legal? ECA/Y is one of the most effective fat burning supplements ever made.

Muscletech I hold in such low regard. They currently have like 4 versions of Hydroxycut out now. All of them probably equally ineffective.

I'm also not a fan, just using them as an example.

Slightly off topic or not but Heat (white container red cap) makes me nauseous every time i use it which makes it basically useless for me to use for fasted cardio not sure if Mach4 does the same.

Furk wrote: OP, Mach4 isn't as easy to find as the others you mentioned but I've good reviews of it.

Ephedrine in cold medicine is still found in the USA but isn't available here in ZA (because we all use it to make tik) Pisses me off. Yet in some (non-pharmacy) supplement stores you can get it in fat burners as well as yohimbine. Like what?

Pseudoephedrine is also used to make meth and I have personally take OTC syrups which contain pseudoephedrine, however I think you would possibly need them in tablet (powder) form. Not sure about tablets which contain pseudo.


If Ephedrine is illegal, theeen.... How come Chrome are allowed to sell a product which contains it?
Unless it was the guy selling it and not the store, as they were "out of stock" and an order was required. I stand to correction but I am sure that ephedrine as a "supplement" or something is still legal in South Africa?

"Ephedrine, contained in products registered in terms of the Act, and not
intended for export,
(a) oral preparations and mixtures containing not more than 30 milligrams
of ephedrine per dose, when in combination with another
pharmacologically active substance and intended for the symptomatic
relief of colds and flu, subject to a maximum pack size of 720
milligrams and limited to one pack per customer; (S6)

Status changed from S2 to S6 - we usually follow US FDA guidelines unfortunately. Yes it is contained in various medications etc but that is most probably because the chemistry in making tik from cough syrup is too complicated for your average tik maker.

PsyCLown wrote:

Furk wrote: OP, Mach4 isn't as easy to find as the others you mentioned but I've good reviews of it.

Ephedrine in cold medicine is still found in the USA but isn't available here in ZA (because we all use it to make tik) Pisses me off. Yet in some (non-pharmacy) supplement stores you can get it in fat burners as well as yohimbine. Like what?

Pseudoephedrine is also used to make meth and I have personally take OTC syrups which contain pseudoephedrine, however I think you would possibly need them in tablet (powder) form. Not sure about tablets which contain pseudo.


If Ephedrine is illegal, theeen.... How come Chrome are allowed to sell a product which contains it?
Unless it was the guy selling it and not the store, as they were "out of stock" and an order was required. I stand to correction but I am sure that ephedrine as a "supplement" or something is still legal in South Africa?

Sinutab contains Pseudoephedrine

PsyCLown wrote: Pseudoephedrine is also used to make meth and I have personally take OTC syrups which contain pseudoephedrine, however I think you would possibly need them in tablet (powder) form. Not sure about tablets which contain pseudo.


If Ephedrine is illegal, theeen.... How come Chrome are allowed to sell a product which contains it?
Unless it was the guy selling it and not the store, as they were "out of stock" and an order was required. I stand to correction but I am sure that ephedrine as a "supplement" or something is still legal in South Africa?

When the word got out that ephedrdine actually works, Celltech launched Hydroxycut(I think it as the first) and OTC cold medicine started being purchased for DIY ECA stack. Original DIY ECA stack that was circulated like 5/6 years ago
I think the legality of certain substances pertain to how it is sold and if it is in pure form. For example
you cannot get Ephedrine for medicinal reasons in pure form, but it appears in sport/ performance supplements in formulated products sold at certain supplement stores (Chrome, Extreme, JVL etc). I am guessing but it proabably has to do with extraction of the ephedrine that is not possible from the far-burner blends, so you can't exploit it and make methamphetamine

Same goes for DMAA, you absolutely will not find it in a pharmacy but encountering it supplement stores is still possible.

Ephedra/Ma Huang is the herbal equivalent of ephedrine. Pseudo-ephedrine translates to "false" ephedrine, it equates to 1/4th strength as far as I can remember.